Your thoughts

[Shortler]

Hey..lookin' for some feedback..this will get mastered next week.
Mostly just wanted some feedback on the tune and mix..
Thanks in advance

Goodbye (http://biztwinz.com/Music/goodbyem.wav)

[dwoz]

A 53 MB wav...you're going to have to pay dearly for that, you realize?

:D

dwoz

[dwoz]

good balance between the git, hihat and vox in the intro.

Timing probs coming out of the first chorus...

I think its the bass player. He's meandering in the chorus. The drummer is crossing up his sticks trying to get around. Timing timing timing.

The singer has a good upper range, why is he fucking around with that whiney-nosed tone here and there?

vox very up front...can't loose them. that's good.

That's a cute ending...I can actually see the guy stepping on his chord and popping the jack!

you've earned a 2nd listen.

dwoz

[dwoz]

vox tone is a little harsh...but that's the style these days.

"edgy" I guess.

I'm not really "loving" that reverb tail-off of the vocal coming into the last chorus. It seems like a trick. Too naked?

I like the way the singer overshoots sharp the notes. It should piss me off, but its endearing.


I REALLY REALLY would take a little bit more time to slide things around a bit and fix the worst of those timing problems. They don't help to "make things real"...they hurt.

Arrangement-wise, very competent work to keep the song energy in the right place and moving in the right direction.

Lyrically: telling a girl that she's "just a mammary" is really pretty inflammatory, don't you think?

Timing timing timing....its really the 2nd crunchy-clean bgnd guitar that's the worst offender.

I like the "very much down the middle of the alley" snare slapback thing...production overall is really nailing this genre.

Nice work, it will really gain some DASTARDLY focus if the timing gets a little loving touch.

dwoz

[Shortler]

First effort after upgrade...with some help from Big Al over at PSN

Goodbye
http://www.biztwinz.com/Music/Goodbyetoe.wav

No ego hear..we understand how important it is to have many ears listen

[Shortler]

vox tone is a little harsh...but that's the style these days.

"edgy" I guess.

I'm not really "loving" that reverb tail-off of the vocal coming into the last chorus. It seems like a trick. Too naked?

I like the way the singer overshoots sharp the notes. It should piss me off, but its endearing.


I REALLY REALLY would take a little bit more time to slide things around a bit and fix the worst of those timing problems. They don't help to "make things real"...they hurt.

Arrangement-wise, very competent work to keep the song energy in the right place and moving in the right direction.

Lyrically: telling a girl that she's "just a mammary" is really pretty inflammatory, don't you think?

Timing timing timing....its really the 2nd crunchy-clean bgnd guitar that's the worst offender.

I like the "very much down the middle of the alley" snare slapback thing...production overall is really nailing this genre.

Nice work, it will really gain some DASTARDLY focus if the timing gets a little loving touch.

dwoz
Thanks for the listen.
Ya that timing thing has been our biggest emeny during this whole song. Hell you should have heard it before the cut and paste...LOL...

The song was originally recorded by just the artist on his acoustic being the final...then he started to get some attention from some promoters (the song is actually playing on some indy radio stations) thus the band.

So the entire song go recorded bas ackwards. 2nd the drums got added, then the guitars, keys , all then trying to match up to the grid on the original....well needless to say the drums changed all that.

Probably will go back now and redo the timing to a tighter bass and drum track..and work back up from there...

Your thoughts...
I do have beat detective...LOL

[dwoz]

I don't think you really have major surgery here. its mainly in the choruses, and its that crunch-clean guitar as compared to the drums. just bring that guitar over onto the drums.

The bass...maybe just some weed-whacking. thin out?

drums are only really a problem in the transitions.

dwoz

[Mixerman]

The whole mix seems excessive in the mid-range to me. And I LOVE mid-range. Seems unusally aggressive that way, and I'm not sure it's fitting of the song. I would have to imagine you felt like you were fighting to make everything fit into this mix. If that's the case, it's because everything is compounded into the same range. The ac guitars and the drums are all accentuated in the upper mid range (around 5k). The vocal is strident and is also in that same range. You know, I don't mind that so much if there is a counterbalance on the low end, between the bass, the kik drum and the vocal. There is almost no low end on this vocal and at times he sounds like he's singing through a megaphone.

Now, as far as balances go, I can't complain too much. My issues seem mostly with the overall EQ. However, the vocal is above the track the entire song until that breakdown near the end. Then I believe you're bringing the acoustic guitars up. Unfortunately, these are drowning out the vocal. Plus, I think they're too loud, because when the next section comes in there is no lift.

One of the things I constantly consider when mixing is how the mix of one section affects the next section. In this case, bringing up the guitars in the breakdown has made the next section seem small, but the next section is when the entire band re-enters. I think you should leave the acoustic guitars down, possibly even bring them down in level from the previous section. Make that breakdown about the vocal, this way when the band comes in, the ending will come off as a lift.

Mixerman

[Mixerman]

First effort after upgrade...with some help from Big Al over at PSN

Goodbye
http://www.biztwinz.com/Music/Goodbyetoe.wav

No ego hear..we understand how important it is to have many ears listen

The third chorus is the best blend of lead vocal and harm vocal. I would bring up the lead in the first two choruses.

In general I think the acoustic guitars are 1-2db too loud.

I'd add some low end to the overheads.

I gave a critique to the first version. It's less confusing if you put revisions in the original thread. Not scolding you here. Although I'm really fucking pissed about it.

:very happy: (I'm only putting a smiley in because you might not know and understand my completely sracastic and sardonic sense of humor. This is the last time I give you that unforgivable crutch.)

I'm merging this thread with the original. I have no idea what order that's going to put everything, but suprises are what makes life interesting.

Mixerman

[Shortler]

No prob on the scolding M man, I have had several wives...LOL

You know I have worked on this song for quite a while and I still haven't gotten the mix I like either.

I think most of that is due to the fact I just upgraded and so my plugin count went way up so you know what that means?...
Mix like Charles...(Just kidding Charles..but if you are reading this you do use a lot of plug ins..hell I had to by a frickin big old mac to even open the Milar templates...LOL)

But honestly I let the "let's see what this does" rule the mix instead of mixing to the song..which is something I usually pride myself on.

I will put up another version in a couple of days....so M-man
where should I put it...LOL

dwoz..thanks for the great input. I took your suggestions to heart..and used Beat Detective to the max.... Just kidding..
I will work on the Guitar, weed wack the Bass and slap the drummer a bit..

Thanks for the get'er done.

Little Mikey Shortler