Cans and groove lock....

[Cosmic Pig]

Is it possible the processing and mic distance can throw off the lock with the groove?

My probably unoriginal theory (ahem) is it's harder to lock in with cans because the signal from the mics is all over the place by milliseconds which is just enough to screw up that deep groove.

Maybe.

I've noticed before it was harder to lock in on big stages and thought it had to do with the distance and the monitoring....

I notice when I use open cans with the player in the room with his amp and no monitor signal of his instrument it's easier to catch the groove. What got me thinking about this is while I was trying to do shakers one day I noticed it was easier with one ear off the cans and no shakers in the mix.

Is this a thing?

Cos.

[otek]

My probably unoriginal theory (ahem) is it's harder to lock in with cans because the signal from the mics is all over the place by milliseconds which is just enough to screw up that deep groove.

Maybe.

I've noticed before it was harder to lock in on big stages and thought it had to do with the distance and the monitoring....


It seems to me that if anything, cans would make it easier, if the problem is really the time delay.

If you had a kit placed 30 feet away, the sound would take longer to travel to you than the signal from the mic fed through the headphones.

Though I've never had this particular problem, it's more a question of that closeness that makes it comfortable for musicians to play together.

[vocalnick]

From my experience as a performer, it's as simple as not being able to hear yourself clearly and "naturally" through cans. The time delay thing is interesting to muse on, but I feel it might be over-thinking the problem a bit.

I know from a vocal point of view, it's common to prefer hearing some of yourself in the room, hence the old "one can off" approach (which I tend to like as well). I find closed cans will present a completely un-natural sound - it's just not how we're used to hearing ourselves - and that can be more than enough to present problems with timing, pitch, you name it.

Or maybe I'm just not a very good singer :lol:

[mousdrvr]

Or maybe I'm just not a very good singer :lol:

Ok Groover I mean this in a very convivial and non Ghey way but.. Fuck you! :lol:

[Cosmic Pig]

If you had a kit placed 30 feet away, the sound would take longer to travel to you than the signal from the mic fed through the headphones.

Yep and yep Otek. That what I'm pondering. That deep groove happens on tight stages but is a lot harder on big ones. The trouble is I haven't played on a big one in a while. Ha.

But anyways... I wonder if it's the milliseconds that throws it off, and if it is maybe the unnatural sound of HP's is caused partly from that rather than missing the ambience.

I suspect Groovr is right though, I'm overthinking it and it's mostly the can effect combined with no visual with the drummer that kills the groove lock.

BTW Groovr I think Mousdrvr might be sporting a woody for ya. Sure he'd be hard pressed to get much convivialier, but the added "this is not gay" was very gay indeed. A quick check to the rear vicinity before picking up the soap might be well advised.

Cos.

[otek]

I suspect Groovr is right though

I think so too. The most annoying factor about cans has nothing to do with time delay for me.

Weird sonics and lack of ambient information is a far worse problem.