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Tim Halligan
April 25th, 2011, 05:09 AM
For the Australians and New Zealanders here.

It's ANZAC Day.

We will remember them.

Cheers,
Tim

seagate
April 25th, 2011, 09:10 AM
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Barish
April 25th, 2011, 09:38 AM
http://www.resimvadisi.com/data/media/454/34.jpg

The poem reads:

"God's Lions they were only a handful.
Under the pouring rain of bullets hitting each other in the air,
undeterred they fought.
The enemy could not see
those wingless angels.
All they wanted was to get to God,
And they were with Him by that evening."


Turkish soldiers in mass prayer before taking the war on:

http://savasresimleri.net/wp-content/uploads/sava-resmi.jpg

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 09:58 AM
Almost 100 years on, grass still does not grow on and around that bare rock sticking out in the back, where once a full mountain used to stand, before succumbing to the battering of the immense bombardment from invaders' ships. Or so I am told:

http://g.mynet.com/i/160/148601-anzaklar-canakkalede--31.jpg

My great uncle, whose name I bear today, lost his life somewhere in there at the age of 19. He was to complete his university studies, but chucked it and went against the law to defend the front.

God rest him and his fellow friends who fell.

B.

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 10:02 AM
http://g.mynet.com/i/88/148577-anzaklar-canakkalede--10.jpg

http://g.mynet.com/i/76/148568-anzaklar-canakkalede--1.jpg

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 10:11 AM
And they are not some imaginary monuments that stand in there to give people an impression that never existed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyit_Çabuk

http://www.eceabat.gen.tr/img/resimler/seyit_onbasi.jpg

http://savasresimleri.net/wp-content/uploads/anakkale_direni_inin_simgelerinden_seyit_onba___25 8_kg__l_k_top_mermisini_ta__rken_1237377651.jpg

seagate
April 25th, 2011, 10:20 AM
A tragedy for both sides that's for sure...

If only mankind learned from those mistakes!

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 10:22 AM
A Turkish soldier carrying a wounded Anzac officer back to his trenches during a short truce amid the immense crossfire. The statue was based on a memory as it was told by Lord Casey, later a Governor to Australia, whom was one of the soldiers whom were in the trenches during that campaign:

http://www.canakkaleili.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Mehmetçıkê_saygi_aniti-2.JPG

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 10:31 AM
You've always heard about it, but probably you've never seen it. Until now.

Bullets that hit each other in the air.

Odds of two meeting in the air was one in 6 million. How many do ten specimens in a frame make?

If you went and scratched the soil in there, it would be a matter of moments that you could find your own evidence how immense the battle was in there.

Hell does exist, and they all saw it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8v6v1XuhuME/R7tAnw4T6sI/AAAAAAAAASE/B_kIR1eD9rc/s400/100_1874.JPG

Barish
April 25th, 2011, 11:33 AM
http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Foto%20Haber/459/Dünya%20ajansları%20Çanakkale'de/P24145724.jpg

For an overview of this year's meeting:

http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=46444&rid=2

and...

http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=46459&p=1&rid=2

Wide-O
April 25th, 2011, 12:19 PM
That sent a shiver down my spine. So much history there...


"Those heroes that shed their blood And lost their lives. You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies And the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side Here in this country of ours. You, the mothers, Who sent their sons from far away countries Wipe away your tears, Your sons are now lying in our bosom And are in peace After having lost their lives on this land they have Become our sons as well."

samc
April 25th, 2011, 12:31 PM
If only we didn't have to remember these unfortunate tragedies....

gronk
April 25th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Thanks for the pics Barish.

Lest we Forget.

Anx
April 28th, 2011, 05:50 AM
If only we didn't have to remember these unfortunate tragedies....

Unfortunately we do need to remember (and learn) from these tragedies lest we doom ourselves to repeat them.

That pic of the bullets meeting in midair are truly an astounding testament to the fury of the battle.

plughead
April 28th, 2011, 12:54 PM
I traveled to Gallipoli 5 yrs ago, and we took a tour through the battlefields. It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life. This beautiful area in the Dardanelles buried hundreds of thousands of brave souls.

Absolutely astounding that some opposing trenches were (IIRC) less than 20 yards apart. Unbelievable.

My thoughts are with the families affected by this carnage...

Wide-O
April 28th, 2011, 05:29 PM
I just want to applaud Barish because of the way he responded. :tipshat smiley:. :Thumbsup:

And thank you for those pictures.

Of course, this was before a famous Briton used toxic gasses in that war. (and no, I'm not trying to be obnoxious here)

I don't even want to try to think if Gallipoli was "worse or less worse" than "Flanders Fields". (or Verdun. etc etc.)

So yeah, maybe we should remember, and read up on it. Lest we forget.

Barish
April 29th, 2011, 12:24 AM
I think it was a pretty brave war on both sides. And I think it was inevitable. They did what they had to do, and we did what we had to do.

Coming from an imperial heritage ourselves, very much like Britons and their cousins/spins-off, somehow we are taught not to take these things personally, or carry a hatred forward. It's just a mark in history. A moment in time.

When you are an empire, you invade, and when you fall, you get invaded. Name of the game.

Actually we don't see the Gallipoli War as a triumph or anything. It was a war we won which cost us the civilization race. We lost an entire bright educated generation in that war, and all we could do since then was to try and maintain the gap between us and the west to make sure it did not deepen any further.

God knows how many decades it will take us to catch them, if we ever can at all (considering the current speed of the Western powers and the gravity it creates on a global scale.)

Had we lost it, we would have lost it all from the start, which we eventually did anyway. It only took the Western powers another three years to finish us off.

Luckily we had this dude called Colonel Mustafa Kemal, whom had cut his teeth in Tripoli, Palestine and then Gallipoli so we managed to salvage a somewhat dignified sovereignity within current borders. Otherwise, our archaic system was no longer relevant, and we needed a change. We had to change.

Anyway, as I said, it's nothing personal. Shit happens. Churchill was a smart man with a smart plan. He may have lost the Dardanelles War, but he made his country win a longer run by exhausting us the Turks.

That's why, no hard feelings. You just feel sorry for those whom went astray among all those bigger plans.

B.

Johnny
April 29th, 2011, 05:06 AM
Trench warfare was about the most horrible thing imaginable.

Carlo
April 29th, 2011, 08:21 PM
I think it was a pretty brave war on both sides. And I think it was inevitable. They did what they had to do, and we did what we had to do.

That's why, no hard feelings. You just feel sorry for those whom went astray among all those bigger plans.

B.

Well said, Barish, well said! :Thumbsup:

seagate
April 29th, 2011, 09:44 PM
Even though traditionally Anzac day is meant for our fallen Ozzies, I always think both sides should be remembered equally, no matter what the circumstances...

Thanks to Barish for reminding us! :Thumbsup: