Hammond Softsynths [Archive]

Chris Lambrechts

March 15th, 2007, 11:40 PM

Native Instruments B4 comes to mind but my love hate relationship with that company currently leans towards hate ... too freaking unstable.

That said .... to be honest ... I've used hammond sounds coming from a kurzweil K2500R and a Roland JV2080 and those are far worse then the B4 ... but way more convenient to throw in there and depending what the purpose is (usually working on an arrangement or so) ... good enough.

And last time I used a hammond sound in an end product it was a real one.

Chris

MacGregor

March 15th, 2007, 11:42 PM

I've been using Native Instruments B4 for a while. I really like it.

Doug

I second Native instruments. (Link (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=b4ii_us))

Mac

otek

March 16th, 2007, 12:45 AM

Didn't se talk about this a while back on Skype? :D

Native Instruments B4 Mk.II is great.

I'd even go so far as to say it's the best Ive tried.

Chris, are you a Mac user? I keep hearing about Native Instruments and their Mac problems - though most NI VSTi's have worked great on my Macs.

otek

Chris Lambrechts

March 16th, 2007, 01:45 AM

Chris, are you a Mac user? I keep hearing about Native Instruments and their Mac problems - though most NI VSTi's have worked great on my Macs.

otek

mac and PT user. I dunno why but except for the fact that I'm not an Rtas or any kind of native fan to begin with ... NI kinda beats the rest of them when it comes down to crashing PT.

Anything that uses the UVI engine is fine ... and anything digi seems to come up with themselves softsynth wise is fine as well. NI just needs too much buffer ...

Don't get me wrong. I Love battery and you can do some cool things with Absynth and Guitar rig .... but they're a PITA to use.

Especially with NI my general native policy - use 'em ... bounce them and dump them asap - rules my workflow.

Chris

otek

March 16th, 2007, 04:46 AM

mac and PT user. I dunno why but except for the fact that I'm not an Rtas or any kind of native fan to begin with ... NI kinda beats the rest of them when it comes down to crashing PT.

Funny, in Logic NI seems to be working alright for me.... except for the fact that the system takes a whole lot longer to boot.

It looks to be some problem with the Core drivers and how they relate to NI from what I can tell. Once operational, they seem to work fine.

(it could be just the fact that the Komplete bundle is a BIG bundle. Not sure.)

otek

Fulcrum

March 16th, 2007, 05:25 AM

B4 MkII doesn't play nicely with Sonar, or is it vice versa.

No worries rolling back to the original B4.

Using it even as I write as a matter of fact.

Oh and Nobby I am not at all offended by the Leslie sim built into the B4-- lots of options for "mike placement", overdrive, et al.

nobby

March 16th, 2007, 05:26 AM

I wanted to respond earlier, but, unfortunately, I fell under the spell of Otek's Team Hypnotics banner.

When I awoke, I was in handcuffs, and an hysterical woman was accusing me of raping her poodle (the video looked pretty damning, but those things can be edited). But, I digress.

Based on the past several posts, I ordered B4, 2nd ed. If the draw bars (stops) are close to a real B3's... and the Leslie is close to a real one... <drool>... This is what I've heard about and is EXACTLY what I want...

I just atarted using GPO which uses kontakt player (NI) no problems so far.

Using XP (moist) Pro, Sonar.

nobby

March 16th, 2007, 05:34 AM

B4 MkII doesn't play nicely with Sonar, or is it vice versa.

Now ya tell me!

Well, what's a few more hours of the usual bullshit.

[dripping with sarcasm] Fortunately, I'm going to live forever, so time is not important. [/dripping with sarcasm}

vanblah

March 16th, 2007, 05:48 AM

Scratchy Potts

March 16th, 2007, 03:41 PM

Didn't se talk about this a while back on Skype? :D

Native Instruments B4 Mk.II is great.

I'd even go so far as to say it's the best Ive tried.

otek

+1 for the B4 it rocks use all the time..:Coolio:

Senap

March 16th, 2007, 05:27 PM

I use the B4 mark I a lot when arranging and when I'm playing with ideas.

I've even used it on "real" projects which is just plain lazyness since I got a real Hammond A100 with 142 Leslie right beside me.... nothing compares to that.

But, the B4 is probably the best simulator out there.

malice

March 17th, 2007, 08:13 AM

my top three are

3) B4 Mk I

2) Charlie

1) B4 Mk II

Nothing comes close to the B4 Mk 2. Actually, I prefer real B3 or A100, but frankly, I prefer the B4 to a B3 in bad shape in a poor room.

B4 is THAT good.

Another thing to consider is that you need a REAL hammond player to make a REAL B3 sounding better than the B4.

malice

Senap

March 17th, 2007, 10:28 AM

Another thing to consider is that you need a REAL hammond player to make a REAL B3 sounding better than the B4.

malice

BINGO!

The proper use of the expression pedal and slow/fast leslie is crucial in getting it to sound right. You can't put a piano player in front of a B3. It will sound like a circus.

PS. All of a sudden, next to my Avatar, it says "edible underwear tester" and "better off without a wife".

Splendid. Now I have to hide my wombing. She's going to ask "why does it says better off....?"

"It's not me. It.. ehh"

"Why did you write that?"

"I did'nt. It's..."

Repeat for two hours.

MacGregor

March 18th, 2007, 12:43 PM

PS. All of a sudden, next to my Avatar, it says "edible underwear tester" and "better off without a wife".

Splendid. Now I have to hide my wombing. She's going to ask "why does it says better off....?"

"It's not me. It.. ehh"

"Why did you write that?"

"I did'nt. It's..."

Repeat for two hours.

I know this!

[after I replied do one of Aardys postings]

MacWife: so why do you reply to this woman?

/me: that's Aardvark.

MacWife: she's good looking. Where is she from? Never heard the name 'Aardvark'.

/me: Aardvark is from the great white North and is not a 'she', it means some kind of Earth Pig.

MacWife: do you like her?

/me: no

MacWife: so why do you reply to this woman?

Rinse and repeat...

Mac

jacvenza

March 18th, 2007, 03:20 PM

For me Native Instrument B4 sounds really nice....

st robert

March 18th, 2007, 06:53 PM

me too with the b4. it can be subtle, powerful, soulful. it makes a lot of difference in my tracks.

use the expression pedal.

rob

tonytigergrrr

March 18th, 2007, 11:48 PM

Nothin beats the B4...
About as close as you can get to lugging a leslie up a flight of stairs.. :Coolio: With out the leslie and the stairs of course...AAAHH the good old days...

Chris Lambrechts

March 19th, 2007, 12:21 AM

Nothin beats the B4...

I suddenly had this reflection of posting a 'duh ... a real one does ... '

But then my train of thoughts changed into something else.

I am as guilty as the next guy using all these tools. I really am and have done so and actually continue to do so. A while back I did some tracking in a big studio over here and brought in a keyboard session player to play some piano on some of the tracks. (the studio has a nice steinway D so ... )

Anyhow ... round midnight when we were done tracking the piano parts we were looking at some of the other tracks and I told the guy we would have to do some aditional things on other tracks back at my studio. Like a couple of Hammond parts on 2 tracks. When I told him we would use his Native Instruments he said 'are you kidding ? There's one standing there in the corner and you're not going to use that thing ?' ...

And while saying that he had allready walked over there and taken the dust cover of the keyboard and the Leslie and was starting to hook it up.

Now this is a guy who is ALL about Virtual Instruments and the use of them and if I know one guy round these parts who can make that stuff sound like a real one it must be him. But he also knows how to operate a real one and that very night was a perfect example of 'use the real thing whenever you can'.

There is NO way that you can get an equally powerfull / living performance out of a Virtual Instrument. The Hammond had a pure supportive role for the tracks, no solo or dominant role whatsoever ... but boy does it sound empty without it and boy would the result have been different. Believe me... I've been there ...

But all that is NOT my point. My point is : Here's a guy who grew up learning how to play the real stuff and how to work it ... love it ... and even fight it to get it to speak a real language. Making a real hammond speak IS and art. And it suddenly strikes me how few people I know that actually can do that. In fact I know of 3 people who can. Isn't that sad ? How long before there aren't any people left who know how to do that. How long before there are no real ones left and you're stuck with emulations only ? :Cry:

Again .... guilty as charged ... but also somewhat ashamed to admit it. :Cry:

Chris

Fulcrum

March 19th, 2007, 03:05 AM

Senap

March 19th, 2007, 12:21 PM

Keith Emerson had a great quote about the Hammond-- that it's like a good whore... "you can abuse it and it will abuse you, but you'll both come up smiling."

:Razz:

I had that quote taped to my Hammond XB2 before I got my real A100...

HOOK

March 19th, 2007, 09:37 PM

There is NO way that you can get an equally powerfull / living performance out of a Virtual Instrument.

Thank you!!!

That is probably why they are called virtual and not real!! :Twisted: :grin:

HOOK

vanblah

March 20th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Making a real hammond speak IS and art. And it suddenly strikes me how few people I know that actually can do that. In fact I know of 3 people who can. Isn't that sad ? How long before there aren't any people left who know how to do that. How long before there are no real ones left and you're stuck with emulations only ? :Cry:

Again .... guilty as charged ... but also somewhat ashamed to admit it. :Cry:

Chris

A-greed. If I had an M3 in good shape (my preferred iteration of the organ) and could keep it in good shape, and had a 122 and had a good room ... etc.

That's what studios are for.

The "sound" is only part of the equation. I play a CX3 live because it comes very close to the way a real organ feels. Heck, if you spill a couple of beers across the keyboard and let it sit out in the sun for a couple of hours it starts to feel remarkably similar to a real one. Again, not exactly the same but close. As far as sound goes, the CX3 is crap.

Then again 35lbs vs. 300lbs for live performances ...

on a side note:

There's a guy here in Memphis who just makes me want to give up playing piano and organ every time I see him play.

JariNi

March 23rd, 2007, 12:27 AM

NI b4 has some weird aliasing noises or something on some notes. Don't remember which were the worst notes. There is a really audible low frequency noise and now i cannot stand it. At first i didn't even hear it, but now it's really easy to spot.

Though if the band is playing along noise gets buried, so it doesn't matter that much in a context. Don't know if NI have fixed it by now??? Anyone else hearing this... Please don't tell me they are intended that way :) But b4 is really, really good otherwise. The best hammondplug i've heard so far.

Fulcrum

March 23rd, 2007, 01:26 PM

You would hear that hum on a real Hammond as well.. at least the vintage ones. So that's not so much a bug as a feature.

nobby

March 23rd, 2007, 04:37 PM

I was going to mention that real Hammonds can be fairly noisey.

I't tube gear, and many of them are over half a century old.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Lambrechts
There is NO way that you can get an equally powerfull / living performance out of a Virtual Instrument.

Hook: Thank you!!!

That is probably why they are called virtual and not real!!

The Hammond is/ was a virtual instrument. It was supposed to sound like a real (steam or air) organ, which I think was actually supposed to replace an orchestra. Instead, it's tone wheel had a unique, cool sound.

I'f you were talking about an instrument such as a violin or trumpet, as opposed to one whose keys are switches which turn on electric circuits, I'd say you're on to something.

I used to stop on my way to and from High School at a big piano distributer which had a good sized room dedicated to Hammonds. In the show window in front was Gershwin's Hammond from the 30's.

I wanted a real Hammond so bad. A kid whose dad owned Cadillac dealership had a B3, I had a farfisa combo compact.

I'm over it. Took a couple of decades, but I'm over it. Looking forward to the arrival (hopefully today) of the B4.

HOOK

March 23rd, 2007, 06:45 PM

The Hammond is/ was a virtual instrument. It was supposed to sound like a real (steam or air) organ, which I think was actually supposed to replace an orchestra. Instead, it's tone wheel had a unique, cool sound.

I'f you were talking about an instrument such as a violin or trumpet, as opposed to one whose keys are switches which turn on electric circuits, I'd say you're on to something.

Hmm...I have to say NO to that statement! (maybe this is just a matter of oppinion, but WtF...)

Yes, Hammonds and organs and Rhodes electric pianos where supposed to sound like another instrument(group) ...But and this is a Biiiig BUT(T)!!
Those instruments all have some kind of direct interface for the player to use when interacting with the sound. This dictates the way you play and therefore the way it sounds and how it feels when you play it and this in turn affect the way you play...etc.

This + the fact that these instruments all had (has) a character of there own makes them real instrument.

The B4 is close but all it does is to mimic another instrument. It does it good. but that is where it fails!!
It´s better to be further from the target and contribute to the world of sound (like the Logan stringMachines, the Mellotron or the string stops on a pipeorgan) than actually mimic it so closely that you lose all the identity of the instrument at hand.
..the best Elvis-impersonator in the world wont be Elvis even if he (or she?:Razz: ) mimic his voice exactly

So here goes my 0.2$:

A virtual instrument is an instrument mimicing another instrument with no character of its own and therefore are rather uninteresting - IF the original is available.

HOOK

nobby

March 23rd, 2007, 07:13 PM

..the best Elvis-impersonator in the world wont be Elvis even if he (or she?:Razz: ) mimic his voice exactly

Dude... Elvis is dead. Get over it :Wink: You you are left with impersonators or recordings. You can't remember what he really was like live, can ya? I'll agree that I prefer recorded copies of the real thing to a living breathing Elvis Impersonator any day (YMMV)

If I had a real B3 I would save $200 on software by just mic'ing it up. And I wouldn't have posted this topic. I think one thing we can agree on is that, for the most part, those who have easy access to a B3 (C3, whatever) aren't as keen on software that can replicate its sound as those who aren't... baybuh! :grin:

Thankyuhverimuch!

HOOK

March 23rd, 2007, 07:30 PM

Dude... Elvis is dead. Get over it :Wink: :icon_eek: :Cry: :Cry: I wasn´t aware of that!!

I'll agree that I prefer recorded copies of the real thing to a living breathing Elvis Impersonator any day (YMMV)
sooo..when does the hunting-season start. so we can make them non breathing Elvis impersonators??!!:Twisted:

Sorry dude, wasn´t saying that PlugInstruments of any kind where unnecesery or bad, just that I prefere the ones with some character of its own....I like the fact that I actually can here the difference between a Roland SH1000 and a trumpet, although the preset on the former says "trumpet":Roll eyes:

If it´s close but not spot on, I prefer further away....

..but then again, I have an EX-1 and that is proof of some kind of madness (at least if you ask my wife:Razz: :Roll eyes: )

HOOK

nobby

March 23rd, 2007, 08:19 PM

sooo..when does the hunting-season start. so we can make them non breathing Elvis impersonators??!!:Twisted:

Much as I admire the sentiment, you'll never get rid of all of them.

Sorry dude, wasn´t saying that PlugInstruments of any kind where unnecesery or bad, just that I prefere the ones with some character of its own....I like the fact that I actually can here the difference between a Roland SH1000 and a trumpet, although the preset on the former says "trumpet":Roll eyes:
If it´s close but not spot on, I prefer further away....

I prefer mic'ing up real instruments when they're available.

..but then again, I have an EX-1 and that is proof of some kind of madness (at least if you ask my wife:Razz: :Roll eyes: )

I'm not married, but I hear it's bad mojo to bring up your ex when your wife is around.

... badabing!

HOOK

March 23rd, 2007, 08:46 PM

I'm not married, but I hear it's bad mojo to bring up your ex when your wife is around.

... badabing!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

HOOK

otek

March 26th, 2007, 09:58 PM

A virtual instrument is an instrument mimicing another instrument with no character of its own and therefore are rather uninteresting - IF the original is available.

Disclaimer #1: Bernie Worrell on a B4 will still smoke most players on a real B3.

Let's not lose sight of that when we talk about the "soul and character" of an instrument.

Disclaimer #2: Let's also not forget that a lot of virtual instruments are completely unique and exist in no other form. I suppose one may discuss the usage of the term "virtual" in those cases, but there you go.

otek

HOOK

March 26th, 2007, 10:50 PM

Hear you oTek!
Should have used the term "Instrument trying to mimic some other instrument", not virtual. ...and that goes for hardware synths trying to mimic to!! Maybe softsynth is a better term as the thread suggest, allthough Hammond cant be labeled "synthesiser" in any form....oh well, no more ranting.....:Roll eyes: :)

HOOK

HOOK

March 26th, 2007, 10:57 PM

Disclaimer #1: Bernie Worrell on a B4 will still smoke most players on a real B3.

Just for the record; not without drawbars and swell....or maybe he will, but not in a hammondesque way...

otek: -shouldnt you stop ranting, Ivar? Well I think that....*SMACK*
:Uh oh: but... *SMACK* ok...

HOOK

Pancho Ballard

March 26th, 2007, 11:00 PM

..the best Elvis-impersonator in the world wont be Elvis even if he (or she?:Razz: ) mimic his voice exactly

Elvis was cool and everything but, well, once you've heard El Vez there's no going back really...

And staying on the subject of the Hammond softsynths, I like the B4, think it sounds great but I just can't play in that style. It's fairly easy to fake your way through a simple Rhodes or Wurlitzer track by just banging the chords out (with feeling of course) but to play in the style required to get the most from a Hammond needs a lot more skill on the keyboard.

I doubt that helps much but that's a bass player/guitarist's viewpoint!

Fulcrum

March 27th, 2007, 01:29 AM

El Vez? Am I mistaken or is that the Sikh Elvis?

"I don't drink beer, I don't drink bourbon. I just wanna rock and shake my turban."

Swear to God that guy exists.

Senap

March 27th, 2007, 11:10 PM

El Vez? Am I mistaken or is that the Sikh Elvis?

"I don't drink beer, I don't drink bourbon. I just wanna rock and shake my turban."

Swear to God that guy exists.

LMFBO!!!

No... his not the Sikh Elvis... his the mexican Elvis. We had him at the club for a christmas show. He had his own backup singers too. The Elvettes. It was hilarious.

Fulcrum

March 28th, 2007, 01:21 PM

El Vez... yeah, that's right. I had him confused with Peter Singh (http://www.aardvarkcymru.co.uk/singh.htm), the Sikh Elvis. His backup group is apparently called the Popadoms.

HOOK

March 28th, 2007, 06:45 PM

Someone know of some good Elvis Pluggs??
Preferable AU, but VST is ok- have VSTWraper...

HOOK

Stick

March 28th, 2007, 08:44 PM

I'm really surprised that I haven't heard anyone saying they like Logic's EVB3. I used B4 Mk1 for a long time, and as soon as Logic added EVB3 I switched. To me it sounds way cooler, has better distortion, key click and age adjustablilty. That said, I'm in the process of moving away from Logic to all PT, and may be taking another look at B4 (at least until Digi's AIR group builds the B3 VI... their rhodes emulator Velvet is awesome)... it would be a pain to have to always run Logic from the laptop just for B3.

nobby

March 29th, 2007, 02:03 AM

To me it sounds way cooler, has better distortion, key click and age adjustablilty.

B4 II has that stuff (age and bleed), as well as reverb type and parameters, different cabinets, open or closed leslie, adjustable micing, rotor and percussion parameters, etc.

Note: I've never used Logic or original B4.

Stick

March 29th, 2007, 02:29 AM

B4 II has that stuff (age and bleed), as well as reverb type and parameters, different cabinets, open or closed leslie, adjustable micing, rotor and percussion parameters, etc.

Note: I've never used Logic or original B4.

Ah ha... they must've added it in B4 II. Well, there probably isn't that much difference then. I seem to remember being able to trade out tonewheel sets to get some of that in the original, but at the time EVB3 was more adjustable.

Slipperman

March 29th, 2007, 04:02 AM

Kinda ironic seeing this thread.

Still NOTHING like tearing a song a new asshole on a roaring B3 at full blast in a good room. That is some totally Viking 'rape and pillage' shit that can't be replicated by anything.

Makes the hair stand right up on the back of yer neck.

Bang a coupla suspended chords and kick over the rotor... Motherfuckers better starting taking the shit they like down off the walls RIGHT NOW.

HO-HO-God-on-earth-HO.

Anyhoo.

Orphaned my original TOTALLY MINT B3 and it's 2 attendant Leslies in a bout of total stupidity about 7 years ago. Had a utterly depressing conversation TODAY with a client who recorded several records with me using it back in de day. Sad shit.

Ah ha... they must've added it in B4 II. Well, there probably isn't that much difference then. I seem to remember being able to trade out tonewheel sets to get some of that in the original, but at the time EVB3 was more adjustable.

I use both B4 and the EVB3 with some regularity.

Both totally workable in most scenarios.

Both softsynths, and so, about as inspiring to lean on as rusted hibachi in a driving rainstorm from a performance standpoint.

But hey... As somebody noted here... You gotta have a REAL "hammy guy" to really optimize the ACTUAL INSTRUMENT in total 'mix picture' anyways. And nobody's got the time, money or patience for that stuff anymore.

At least nobody I get to make records with.

SM.

Fulcrum

March 29th, 2007, 01:16 PM

Ah ha... they must've added it in B4 II. Well, there probably isn't that much difference then. I seem to remember being able to trade out tonewheel sets to get some of that in the original, but at the time EVB3 was more adjustable.

The original B4 always had adjustable key click and Leslie overdrive.

And it indeed had different tone wheel sets-- from various Hammonds of assorted vintage, along with a Vox Continental and/or a Farfisa Compact. But that was an after-the-fact add-on. The B4 II I think comes with all those sets standard.

Oberlehrer

March 30th, 2007, 11:29 PM

Let me chime in with another voice of support for the EVB3 in Logic.

I briefly played with the B4 a couple of years ago and just today gave the B4 II a closer listen. In my opinion the B4 and B4 II are trying to sound too "big" in most cases. Sure, that's impressive on first listen but might get old pretty soon. I feel the EVB3 takes a slightly more subtle approach. And the Keyclick on the B4 II doesn't sound right to me at all.

Disclaimer: I was on the beta team for Emagic at the time of the EVB3 release and did contribute one or two registrations; so I'm a bit biased here.

nobby

April 9th, 2007, 06:17 PM

otek

April 9th, 2007, 09:57 PM

In my opinion the B4 and B4 II are trying to sound too "big" in most cases.

Funny you should say that. I too have found the EVB3 to actually sit better in the mix in some cases, without too much EQ tweaking.

YMMV as always.

sqkychair

October 21st, 2009, 10:38 PM

Hey,
B4 II users.

I got a chance to play around with the NI B4 II and some of the presets sound great, but a lot of them have this wierd nasty distortion that sounds more like digital clipping or something.

Anybody ever have this problem?

I was running it "standalone" with the little preview song going.

The preview song sounded the same as the MIDI keyboard for each preset. In other words, it was not necessarily the MIDI keyboard because the preview song sounded the same.

O-Face

October 21st, 2009, 11:48 PM

Native Instruments in so longer making the B4 available from what I understand but their Kore Player pack called '57 Drawbar Organ is really good. It's a sampled C3 rather than modeled like the B4 was. Best part is it's only $59 bucks, is a direct download and they offer a version of the KORE player free- which also comes loaded with quite a few cool sounds in it. Here is the link-

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kore-soundpacks/57-drawbar-organ/

TubaSolo

October 22nd, 2009, 01:20 AM

I got a chance to play around with the NI B4 II and some of the presets sound great, but a lot of them have this wierd nasty distortion that sounds more like digital clipping or something.

Anybody ever have this problem?

I must say the only thing I'm disappointed in with the B4 is the distortion. Barely usable imho. And they do have cool ones in Guitar Rig... :Confused:

Fulcrum

October 22nd, 2009, 01:31 AM

Since my last post in this thread I moved over to the EVB-3 and I have to say I like it quite a lot. It integrates very nicely with Mainstage, and since I haven't got the VST to AU wrapper yet it's really the only game in town for the likes of me..

Still trying to figure out the distortion that Tony Kaye used on The Yes Album though..

Nutmeg

October 22nd, 2009, 02:17 AM

GSi VB3 (http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=24) very usable, comes for PC&Mac (no RTAS but VSTi and AU).

sqkychair

October 22nd, 2009, 06:34 PM

I must say the only thing I'm disappointed in with the B4 is the distortion. Barely usable imho. And they do have cool ones in Guitar Rig... :Confused:

I think distortion is part of the problem, I can't identify it.

Choose that first preset "Soul Explosion" Hold down a 4 note chord in the middle of the keyboard.

I hear something like a dog chewing on a bone!!! It drives me nuts!

Then choose the "Reggae" preset and do the same thing.

No more chewing!!!

WTF????

HOOK

October 23rd, 2009, 05:46 PM

Still trying to figure out the distortion that Tony Kaye used on The Yes Album though..

Combination of drawbar settings, lots of harmonics and top, less fundamental (non?) and a git amp (Vox?) Lesley in stop mode or very slow?

Just guessing here....listening to Spotify through crappy speakers and children playing all around...so why am I answering in the first place?? :Roll eyes: ...well I got to listen to Yes!! Yes!! :grin:

....MMMmmmmmm.......Starship trooper

HOOK