run one's own monitors?

[st robert]

evening, gents.

i'm a-thinking that when it comes time to play live after we finish the record, we won't start playing big houses with monitor engineers obviously, so what i want to know is:

from a foh perspective, if i was to run stage channels to my mackie onyx and then direct out to foh, would that make the foh guy's butt itch? this way we would have control of our ear monitors through the onyx and the foh would get a more or les pure feed for his own purposes. things would go through the onyx preamps first, though. the onyx has db25 connectors in back and i have the cables and all seems to work.

am i asking for trouble?

rob

[Tim Halligan]

am i asking for trouble?


Probably.

Get a split multicore if you must do this stunt.

Leave the FOH feed alone.


Cheers,
Tim

[Goes211]

Listen to Vegemite man ( :lol: ) here. Mult split.
FOH is NOT gonna be happy with your Onyx feeds.

[pounce]

but given a proper transformer isolated split, go for it.

you handling your own in ear feeds is going to suit folks just fine.

[bunnerabb]

Get a split multicore if you must do this stunt.

Amen.

And don't forget that the phantom needs to come from the non tranny split.

[st robert]

Amen.

And don't forget that the phantom needs to come from the non tranny split.

err.. my eyes just glazed over. tranny split?


amen?

awright, where does one come up with a split multicore?

and more importantly, what exactly is it?

your dumb little brother,
rob

[Statick]

the word "stunt" is quite possibly the best description for this. bad idea.

[pounce]

tranny for transformer

as in transformer isolated split.

there are a number of boxes and splitter snakes that do this. it's extremely common. it's basically the usual thing used when doing monitors and foh seperate. this is the way to keep the sound clean and still send seperate signals to the monitor path as well as to foh

[Goes211]

tranny for transformer

as in transformer isolated split.

there are a number of boxes and splitter snakes that do this. it's extremely common. it's basically the usual thing used when doing monitors and foh seperate. this is the way to keep the sound clean and still send seperate signals to the monitor path as well as to foh

WTF ? We're gonna start helping people here ? Is this some kind of sick joke ?
















I kid, I kid. :D

[subvocal]

evening, gents.

i'm a-thinking that when it comes time to play live after we finish the record, we won't start playing big houses with monitor engineers obviously, so what i want to know is:

from a foh perspective, if i was to run stage channels to my mackie onyx and then direct out to foh, would that make the foh guy's butt itch? this way we would have control of our ear monitors through the onyx and the foh would get a more or les pure feed for his own purposes. things would go through the onyx preamps first, though. the onyx has db25 connectors in back and i have the cables and all seems to work.

am i asking for trouble?

rob

I actually just posted about doing this here: http://womb.mixerman.net/showthread.php?t=152

We did something like this at our show last night and we had no problems with it. No in ears though.
After reading the rest of this thread I'm not sure why we didn't have any problems.
Probably something very differant from what your asking?

(I can only count to 4 with both hands -used to a drummer)

SV

[pounce]

maybe i glossed over a point. if you are mixing both monitors and foh, for whatever reason, and are sending the foh soundguy a one or two channel mix of the material, then what you said would be fine. just keep two direct boxes around for the signal to foh. i'd use something good, countryman, radial, bss, etc. - any good direct boxes will do. then just play around with the mix and monitors as you'd like. the soundguy will essentially run your channels flat and loud and have a drink while you do your set.

[st robert]

WTF ? We're gonna start helping people here ? Is this some kind of sick joke ?
















I kid, I kid. :D

tranny for transformer

as in transformer isolated split.

there are a number of boxes and splitter snakes that do this. it's extremely common. it's basically the usual thing used when doing monitors and foh seperate. this is the way to keep the sound clean and still send seperate signals to the monitor path as well as to foh

uuhh. okay. even though foh gets direct, pre everything except the onyx preamps. got it, i think. and so where would the phantom come from, again?

so, yes, transformer split, yes...




and, uh,




well, er...



what color would be best?

rob

[pounce]

i've usually seen the monitor side supplying the phantom power.

any color you'd like.

[bunnerabb]

I have two bands running Mackie and Mackie Onyx monitor mixers for monitors with a full 16/16 split but I supply the hotrails for the condensors. Anyhoo, it works great with a full split.

[bunnerabb]

err.. my eyes just glazed over. tranny split?


amen?

awright, where does one come up with a split multicore?

and more importantly, what exactly is it?

your dumb little brother,
rob

32/8 looks like this.

Note the two fanouts.

[ggunn]

It is written upon the bathroom walls in many venues:

"Friends don't let friends mix monitors"

[st robert]

thanks all.

i'll post a message when we go live and let you know how it was.

rob

[pounce]

It is written upon the bathroom walls in many venues:

"Friends don't let friends mix monitors"

i see what you are getting at, but if this band has the idea that they want to control their in ears i say let em. since it's not wedges, it's not going to effect the gain staging or other foh concerns. they may or may not like having this responsibility, but if thats what makes them comfortable as performers i'm all for it.

[st robert]

and that's just it:

if the wedge mix sucks, you can go somewhere and try to find a happy place where positionally you can hear a balance of shit you like. if your in-ears are fucked, where do you run? they rule for the performer, but are fiddly to mix. shure has mixmode, etc. but a true stereo mix like subvocal was talkin about in his cans is the way to go. and so until i can hire a monitor guy, i'd rather take matters into my own hands and have some sliders nearby to grab when itsa no good in my head.


rob

[Bob Olhsson]

There was life before wedges and even before stage monitors!

Most of my older friends prefer just using side-fills rather than wedges but people keep setting up what they've seen on TV instead of experimenting with the particular venue.

Turning the volume down some and losing the feedback suppression can work wonders for both how well the band plays and what the audience hears.

I know, I sound like an old guy...

[st robert]

thanks for weighing in, old guy. i got into ear monitors because of what they do for me onstage when they are dialed. i do wish they weren't necessary, however. i sing better without shit in my ear canals. but i also like to be able to hear the next day. the drummer likes to bash, the other singer is half deaf. in-ears are a defensive measure as well as a proactive aid.

oh bother.

rob

[Brendo]

uuhh. okay. even though foh gets direct, pre everything except the onyx preamps. got it, i think. and so where would the phantom come from, again?

Uh.

Mics -> Splitter -> Snake A & B

Snake A -> Onyx -> IEM

Snake B -> FOH -> Big rig.

Phantom comes from whoever doesn't have the transformers in their path - as a transformer will not let DC through.

[macfeedback]

evening, gents.

i'm a-thinking that when it comes time to play live after we finish the record, we won't start playing big houses with monitor engineers obviously, so what i want to know is:

from a foh perspective, if i was to run stage channels to my mackie onyx and then direct out to foh, would that make the foh guy's butt itch? this way we would have control of our ear monitors through the onyx and the foh would get a more or les pure feed for his own purposes. things would go through the onyx preamps first, though. the onyx has db25 connectors in back and i have the cables and all seems to work.

am i asking for trouble?

rob

The FOH would not get a pure feed cos as you said it would go through the onyx preamps first. You tweak gain you fuck FOH.

A split mult is the way to go. If you have the bucks get a split with trannies, if not just get a hardwire split.

[ggunn]

i see what you are getting at, but if this band has the idea that they want to control their in ears i say let em. since it's not wedges, it's not going to effect the gain staging or other foh concerns. they may or may not like having this responsibility, but if thats what makes them comfortable as performers i'm all for it.

I wasn't really getting at anything; it's just something that I have literally read on bathroom walls here in Austin.

If you are going to use in-ear monitors (and I did for three years), IMO, you have to have mixing control (and more importantly, volume control) over them. I ran my own mixer onstage with feeds from my vocals, my acoustic guitar, my electric guitar amp, a general monitor mix, and an ambient mic. When it was all dialed in it sounded great, but there's no way anyone but me could have got the mix and levels right because no one else could hear it.