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clicktrack
November 21st, 2006, 03:11 PM
Ok, I'm saying it now.

THIS SHALL NOT BE A GEARSLUTTY THREAD.

At the same time, I'm going to find it interesting to see the posts that will come.


I've been in threadwars in other internet places for calling a piece of gear "non-pro". Unfortunately, the context of my statements were ignored and people got all emo about their gear purchases...all of a sudden offense was taken and flame wars a' started.

I do, however, have very strict concepts on what I would consider "Pro" and "non-pro".

For me, a "pro" piece of gear is one where the manufacturers have considered the users application and taken every step imaginable to make their equipment usable in that situation. Or, at very least, transparent to the work flow. Even better, when the manufacturer thinks one step ahead and predicts ways in which they can make your life EASIER.

For example, I consider the Alesis HD24 to be non-pro.
Don't get me wrong, I use it sometimes, and it definite is a fine machine for some situations, but a piece of gear that has no "proper" remote, small arming buttons that can't be seen in the dark, and requires a plethora of "other" gear to syncronize it to the rest of the world is, IMHO, not Pro. Its adequate, but it makes me work too hard to get to my destination when time is too much of a factor.

On the other hand, this story will be an example of a piece of gear that is "Pro":

Most of you know I run a mobile truck. We're called in on gigs where in a short time frame, we have to make magic happen. Rarely time for remixes or overdubs...often straight to air.

This weekend we had a gig that...well it was a good gig, but one where there was a lot of work to be done just to make it to the starting post let alone the finish line. We were in a city 7 hours away from home for this production.

When my stage rack got blown up (yep...thats what I said). It was a real delight to find my preamps not only had fuses, but the manufacturer had included SPARES in the fuse casing.

Now think about it. You're onsite, and see smoke billowing out of your racks and those of the monitor rig, and you have a live-to-tape broadcast to do very soon. (Yep...there IS more to this story, and that will indeed come in another thread!).

Just when you start working on plan B to get the show going, you get the clear-com call "Our pres are fine...the fuses popped and there are spares!!! We're good to go back to Plan A" Whew. One less thing off your mind in a hectic as hell day.

So there you go. True Systems Precision 8. Thank you guys for including spares. It may be a small thing, but its a big thing. Very pro.

So, lets have it. What, in the most non-gearslutty manner, of course, do you consider "Pro" gear and why. I don't want to hear "because it is" or "because it sounds good"


Bah.


Been there done that.


I want specifics.


What has the manufacturer done on that piece that smartly saves you time, effort or saves your bacon?

pounce
November 21st, 2006, 05:23 PM
now that i think about it a bit more, the live digital consoles that i'm seeing more and more don't have spare channels. when they go they go. hhhmmm.

i had gotten used to the idea that a touring show would have a large format analog board and a spare channel or two and some parts so that they were covered. not so with digital.

Bob Olhsson
November 21st, 2006, 05:32 PM
To me "pro" means not having to think about something working and sounding more than acceptable every time including before the device has been "set up."

This includes serviceability, i.e. providing a schematic and being able to easily obtain and replace parts in the field.

clicktrack
November 21st, 2006, 05:42 PM
To me "pro" means not having to think about something working and sounding more than acceptable every time including before the device has been "set up."

This includes serviceability, i.e. providing a schematic and being able to easily obtain and replace parts in the field.

Amen. You nailed it on the head.


My business partner hears me say one adage ad nausem
"When I'm onsite, I don't want to have to think".

What I mean by that is that I don't want to break out of creative mode to think "technical". If I'm focusing on gear, then I'm not making the music.

Pro gear allows you to do exactly that...make the music, not the tech.

Mixerpuppet
November 21st, 2006, 06:37 PM
Maybe to expand on what Bob said,

Pro means Reliability, Maintainability and Support.

Reliable... Not having to wonder whether something will fire up or not...

Maintainability... the ability to service something without special ordering a part with a 6 week leadtime. COTS. This also means that unitized designs shouldn't mean removing a complex labrynth of other parts to fix something. NO SPECIAL TOOLS!

Service... Tech Support without 3 levels of runaround trying to resolve some kinda common problem.



I have alot of non-Pro stuff that gives me fits but Im not at the point where it matters...

Mixers should have individual channel strips, and spares.

Fuses should be easily obtained... usually thier not. Should be as common as Christmas light strings and not some funky amp/volt combo...

Schematics should come with your device... (steer clear of proprietary gear)

Read the Military Standard Handbook for Human Factors engineering....

pounce
November 21st, 2006, 07:00 PM
while i do think that the terms pro and non-pro are trickier nowadays with lots of middle ground gear thats pretty good and meant for pro use, but misses the kinds of things that this thread addresses. all for the sake of a lower price tag apparently. pro audio gear is one the few areas where price and quality are more likely to be in line, which is to say that the best stuff i've ever used has had a hefty price tag and the stuff that was bargain priced was some of the worst sounding stuff i've used, not to mention reliability. i think that continues to be true in pro audio in general with very few exceptions.

dnafe
November 24th, 2006, 10:51 PM
Pro gear is any gear I choose to use...nuff said


shit, did I say that out loud...oops


I'm having one of those days, just ignore me


:D



edit: there go the old Rep Power numbers down the drain

bunnerabb
November 25th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Reliable... Not having to wonder whether something will fire up or not...

Maintainability... the ability to service something without special ordering a part with a 6 week leadtime. COTS. This also means that unitized designs shouldn't mean removing a complex labrynth of other parts to fix something. NO SPECIAL TOOLS!

Service... Tech Support without 3 levels of runaround trying to resolve some kinda common problem.

Yeah... like cars.








*sn0rts*







As if...

:Roll eyes: