Is MySpace's 15 Minutes Over?

[Bob Olhsson]

Check out:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15830811/

[seagate]

That would be a pity, it's a great networking tool for us musos...

:Sad:

[graveleye]

I think I miss mp3.com more than I would miss myspace should it dwindle away.

[Mixerpuppet]

It might backfire similar to the Lars Nabster incident. When Lawyers and Corporates start pushing kids around it typically agitates them... makes things worse and sends them to alternatives and often more covert ways of networking and sharing. It might get to the point that music sharing will go completely black market where it won't be so easily traced on the internet. Encryption keys and the whole works...

What the older folks seem to be missing in the whole formula is that "kids" do not respect the copyright laws because they've seen the excesses of corporatism on display. If you look at the unemployment rates of the nation and the age groups of the unemployed they can't afford to pay for alot of stuff and since CEO's are raping the country for huge amounts of money they feel it's justified...

[nobby]

It might backfire similar to the Lars Nabster incident. When Lawyers and Corporates start pushing kids around it typically agitates them... makes things worse and sends them to alternatives and often more covert ways of networking and sharing. It might get to the point that music sharing will go completely black market where it won't be so easily traced on the internet. Encryption keys and the whole works...

What the older folks seem to be missing in the whole formula is that "kids" do not respect the copyright laws because they've seen the excesses of corporatism on display. If you look at the unemployment rates of the nation and the age groups of the unemployed they can't afford to pay for alot of stuff and since CEO's are raping the country for huge amounts of money they feel it's justified...

No, the reason kids steal music is because A) they've been able to get away with it for so long without any apparent consequences and B) because they believe all the crap they see on IT sites.

If the kids would boycott music they feel is overpriced instead of stealing it that would send a strong message to the major labels and it would be better for indies who can undercut them :Thumbsup:

[nobby]

The reason young people are leaving myspace is because 60% (I read recently, not sure it's 100% curently accurate) are over 35, so it's no longer considered cool.

http://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/10/06/social_networks_aging_myspace_matures_from_under_2 .html

[seagate]

The reason young people are leaving myspace is because 60% (I read recently, not sure it's 100% curently accurate) are over 35, so it's no longer considered cool.

http://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/10/06/social_networks_aging_myspace_matures_from_under_2 .html


Dunno how many times I looked at someone's profile and it said "99 years old", so if that's the figures they base their research on it's flawed...

[Mixerpuppet]

No, the reason kids steal music is because A) they've been able to get away with it for so long without any apparent consequences and B) because they believe all the crap they see on IT sites.

If the kids would boycott music they feel is overpriced instead of stealing it that would send a strong message to the major labels and it would be better for indies who can undercut them :Thumbsup:


heh heh.... How old are your kids?

Kids don't boycott... convincing a 13 year old to do self-imposed sanctions is like asking 16 year old boys to stop wanking because they might have a girlfriend someday...

My post takes into consideration the change in ethical standards that has funneled down the last 10 to 15 years. A lady named Dr. Jennings does seminars to show Corporations why honesty is lacking in alot of 15 to 25 year olds... More than 50% of kids polled thought stealing from large corporations was acceptable...

I will agree on your first point about consequences, but stick to mine about kids moving to another mechanism to keep doing what they already are...

Situational ethics are great....

Sites need to be more clear about copyrights just as when you play a DVD, the law is not hidden in a 4 page EULA is splashed on the screen where you can't watch the video without seeing the warnings. Also sites need to ploice it better using Google like technology for searching, delayed content etc...

But I wonder if these companies think they can make more money by suing since it truely bypasses the artist in recouping potential losses or said losses...

How many kids know stealing is wrong?

[Bob Olhsson]

The companies are primarily interested in driving their perceived value up, unloading as much stock in the company as possible and then cashing out. They leave the lawsuits to the folks who were foolish enough to buy a company without having any of the intellectual property involved secured or licensed.

This is the basic dot-bomb scam.

[nobby]

But I wonder if these companies think they can make more money by suing since it truely bypasses the artist in recouping potential losses or said losses...

How many kids know stealing is wrong?

I don't think either the companies or artists make any money off the lawsuits. The money goes to the law firms. The plaintiffs settle out of court for about $2k each after demonstating to the plaintiffs that precedents have been established and they won't win.

OTOH it isn't costing the companies anything to sue and they are accomplishing their goals of providing at least something of a deterrent while educating the public on the law.

This is a large part of the reason that statistically a lot more kids are now aware that stealing is wrong than they were prior to these lawsuits. There was a lot of media coverage.

[malice]

The companies are primarily interested in driving their perceived value up, unloading as much stock in the company as possible and then cashing out. They leave the lawsuits to the folks who were foolish enough to buy a company without having any of the intellectual property involved secured or licensed.

This is the basic dot-bomb scam.

That and I always felt that there is a critical mass for that kind of project. It was great to be among the first on board, it is certainly great for artist that are not that famous, but that are somehow "cult" artists. For them, we certainly witnessed a sudden boost in attention.

The thing is it is poorly designed anyway. The search engine is a joke for instance.

It is a good idea, but it certainly leaves room for improvements.

malice

[stevep]

Dunno how many times I looked at someone's profile and it said "99 years old", so if that's the figures they base their research on it's flawed...

True,

These guys "tom" are raking in the $$$

[TSTW]

Bob,

How can Rupert M justify six billion dollars?! What mekes it worth that?!

Advertising?!?

[dwoz]

Stats can be so much fun. They glibly say 'myspace has older audience', citing a figure of 68-72 percent of user views are from age 25-older, and then mention the fresh, young, now, site facebook which in stark contrast has 34 percent in the 18-25 age group.

apples? oranges? agenda?


dwoz

[Bob Olhsson]

...What mekes it worth that?!
Advertising?!?He probably figured he could bundle advertising a-la cheapChannel.

There comes a point when these jerk-offs begin believing their own hype.

[bunnerabb]

Everybody and their aunt Matilda is on that website.

Wanker garage bands, dominatrixes, nobodies, multi-platinum artists.

I will never have a myspace page. That site makes my skin crawl and I follow my instincts.

[Bob Olhsson]

How true. It becomes just another phone book only it's lots harder to look somebody up.

[subvocal]

myspace is the best thing that ever happened to me.i have many new and wonderful friends now.
http://www.myspace.com/markadkins

[stevep]

myspace is the best thing that ever happened to me.i have many new and wonderful friends now.
http://www.myspace.com/markadkins

I have got a bit of work from there ,....

Its crazy some of the bands i work with dont even use there Emails the send me messages through Myspace ....... i try and get them to use my email but its like they are stuck to therespace

If someone can figure out how what the replacement for myspace it DO IT ! you will make $$$$$$$ and never worry about what mic to buy again :grin:





steve perkins

[dach]

How true. It becomes just another phone book only it's lots harder to look somebody up.

Very true, but a MySpace page must be worked if you want to get anything from it. The interface is very poor, but with a good network, utilizing bulletins, etc, you're getting audience attention you'd never get otherwise... and some of that older demographic are people you'd want to meet if you had the opportunity, you just need to find them.

Everybody and their aunt Matilda is on that website. Wanker garage bands, dominatrixes, nobodies, multi-platinum artists. I will never have a myspace page. That site makes my skin crawl and I follow my instincts.
Not that I'm praising MS - and I can't stand it, but that is your loss. I want to sell music and scoring services. MS is just one of the many ways I do it.... not my favorite place to be, but it's valid... and it does work.... you just need to work it like anything else...

[Stick]

Can you guys that are making MS work for you explain it for me? I just don't get it. You try and get people to be your friend? How does that get you any work?

I'll gladly dive in if it helps, I just don't quite get how to go about it.