CAPE V LATE ARRIVAL -- Team Magnetic

[E. Shaun]

Congratulations to Team Magnetic for successfully completing CAPE V (awfully late, mind you, but finally here!)

This team is a bit of an anomaly, as it actually has two mixes by Aardvark + a forthcoming mix by Charles. Long story short, Charles got busy, Aardy helped out + did two mixes. One based on the teams original arrangement + a second with of his own arrangement. Very soon Charles will get un-busy and do his mix + then there will be THREE mixes to choose from.

The team, as it was assigned, consisted of the following folks:

TEAM MAGNETIC (http://womb.mixerman.net/forumdisplay.php?f=37)

POINT MAN: Charles Dye
SONGWRITER: Fizbin
MIXER: Charles Dye (Er....hehehehehehhee)
LEAD VOX: Fizbin
GUITARS: Shortler, Crowass
KEYBOARDS: Andrew Schaap
BASS: Test4Echo, Fizbin
DRUMS: Test4Echo
BVs: Shortler


If there were any drop-outs or replacements, feel free to make note of such in this thread.

Thanks to the Womb's technology gurus, you now have TWO options for listening to this CAPE's offerings: you can either listen to the tunes in real-time by using the CAPE radio, or download the 320 kbps .mp3s. So without further ado…

Play Me! (http://womb.mixerman.net/radio/cape/index.php)

Download Aardy's Team Magnetic Arrangement Mix! (http://womb.mixerman.net/radio/cape/content/CAPE_V_Team_Magnetic-Magnetic.mp3)

Download Aardy's Erased and Redone Mix! (http://womb.mixerman.net/radio/cape/content/CAPE_V_Team_Magnetic-Aardvark.mp3)

[cavetyoureruptor]

I had wondered if we would get to hear anything from Team Magnetic - now we get 2!!

Downloading right now - looking forward to listening.

J :)

[E. Shaun]

Cool stuff! Little did I know when I was selecting the teams that I managed to assemble the entire lineup of Weezer in the same group! Honestly, this could be a hidden track on Pinkerton.

Nice to hear your voice this time around Fizbin...and all the instrumentation is top notch, with special props to Shortler on the git.

Well done!

[seagate]

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Great track, worth the wait for sure. Reminds me of Split Enz with a harder edge.

Neither of the mixes is hard to listen too, I'm not going to pick one or the other though. :Wink:


Congrats to all involved...

[magicchord]

Me like.

[mousdrvr]

I freakin LOVE this song!

Great Job guys.



-mous

[nobby]

That was worth waiting for :Thumbsup: :Thumbsup:

[Charles Dye]

I was working on a project that ran long which prevented me from doing the mix. Aard came in @ the last minute offering to do the mix for us. Every1 on Team Magnetic is gratefully appreciative of the time Aard put into the mix. He kicked ass!

THANK YOU MixVark!!!!

Also a very BIG Thank You to Señor Roberto Ohlsson. We are thrilled he was able to make the time to master both of Aard's mixes.

Bob, YOU so Rock!!!

I also made a correction to the original post. I have not done a mix yet. Currently, BOTH mixes are Aardy's.

One is based on the team's original arrangement + the other is based on Aard's arrangement.

I will be mixing the song the week after next + we will post it ASAP.

[MacGregor]

Currently, BOTH mixes are Aardy's.

One is based on the team's original arrangement + the other is based on Aard's own take on the song.



So you're saying that Aardvark starts now erasing and redoing his own stuff?
Scary! Give that man a vacation.

Glad someone saved the first mix before the erasing part happened.
Me likes both.

Mac

PS: Hey Aardy, you mentioned that with some luck the Team Womb demo will be up at around Christmas.
How is it going?

[Charles Dye]

Also, a HUGE Thank You!!! to dwoz, E, G211, crunch, PX, and all the guys + gals that make this website a reality, for working very hard to get these mixes up so quickly.

Thanx!!! :Thumbsup: :Thumbsup: :Thumbsup:

[dikledoux]

Aardvark. What a huckster. He's been subbing out all his work to a little-known studio in Hollywood all this time. He's found a guy that's a producer/self-affirmation and hair-loss guru who will re-do stuff in half the time. So now he can claim to re-do TWICE as much. Thus the two mixes.


dik


...Seriously, though. Great song, playing and mix(es). Looking forward to hearing CDye's take.

[fizbin]

Hey - thanks Aardy for subbing on short notice! Great job! Also, thanks for retracking the vocals. You sound much better than I ever could.

fizbin

[EyreSpace]

Super. Cool. Catchy. A very worthy addition. thanks

[Johnny]

Worth the wait. Nice job guys---err, Aardvark.

[Carlo]

Damn...what a clean song...and I mean that in it's best way!

But not living in this neighborhood ALL MY FUCKIN' LIFE, I'm confused on the Aardy/Erasing thang...bottom line...who is singin' on this first mix...Aardy or Fizbin.

Although I find it very scary to listen to a song that is so good, that it don't even matter who sings it...I'm very scared:Uh oh:

But all fears of singers becoming irrevelent aside...fabulous music, and I look forward to hearing every mix that ya got!:Thumbsup:

[mousdrvr]

Damn...what a clean song...and I mean that in it's best way!

But not living in this neighborhood ALL MY FUCKIN' LIFE, I'm confused on the Aardy/Erasing thang...bottom line...who is singin' on this first mix...Aardy or Fizbin.

Although I find it very scary to listen to a song that is so good, that it don't even matter who sings it...I'm very scared:Uh oh:

But all fears of singers becoming irrevelent aside...fabulous music, and I look forward to hearing every mix that ya got!:Thumbsup:

I don't know exactly when it happened but it has become traditional for Aardvark to erase and re-record ALL CaPE tracks prior to the reveal. :lol:

[fizbin]

I don't know exactly when it happened but it has become traditional for Aardvark to erase and re-record ALL CaPE tracks prior to the reveal. :lol:

Exactly.

Little did you realize it Carlo, but it's actually Aardy singing the team Omen song as well. Dude's a vocal chameleon.

[PSN Big Al]

Great tracks Magnetic!

Team Silk had two songs and you'll have three mixes. TOUCHE! :Twisted:

A great song. I love the lyrics; very catchy. For some reason
I can't get ". . . don't wanna' wear a shoeshine" out of my head!

Very cool guitars there from Shortler. I had the pleasure of
playing almost nightly with him for 15 years. I got to hear it
all the time. Eat your hearts out! :grin:

[Carlo]

...it's actually Aardy singing the team Omen song as well...
I knew it!!


I don't smoke that much!

[nobby]

Exactly.

Little did you realize it Carlo, but it's actually Aardy singing the team Omen song as well. Dude's a vocal chameleon.

He was on Homestead as well. Don't let the French accent fool ya!

[Mixerman]

For what it's worth, I much prefer the Aardy Erased and Redone Mix. That vocal offset makes the song pop a lot more. It goes from a very good record to an awesome record for me.

I'm sure a lot of the team members are married to the original vocal placement. But I'm curious if other innocent bystanders have evaluated this, and what their opinions are.

Enjoy,

Mixerman

[EyreSpace]

Agreed

[fizbin]

For what it's worth, I much prefer the Aardy Erased and Redone Mix. That vocal offset makes the song pop a lot more. It goes from a very good record to an awesome record for me.

I'm sure a lot of the team members are married to the original vocal placement. But I'm curious if other innocent bystanders have evaluated this, and what their opinions are.


<Disclaimer: not an innocent bystander>
I think it's an interesting idea, but overall the offset vocal makes it all tension and no release. The vocal melody needs to sync with the chords it was written for at some point. I think you could get away with it until the first chorus, after which it should resync, otherwise the chorus is too floaty - it has no edge.

If I had to work it in, I would have it offset for the first half of the first verse, pause the vocal a couple measures to allow it to sync, then come in as intended with the second half of the first verse.

Jay

[Mixerman]

<Disclaimer: not an innocent bystander>
I think it's an interesting idea, but overall the offset vocal makes it all tension and no release. The vocal melody needs to sync with the chords it was written for at some point. I think you could get away with it until the first chorus, after which it should resync, otherwise the chorus is too floaty - it has no edge.

If I had to work it in, I would have it offset for the first half of the first verse, pause the vocal a couple measures to allow it to sync, then come in as intended with the second half of the first verse.

Jay

Like I said, I'm sure the team is married to the original version.

Mixerman

[Bob Olhsson]

I also preferred the Aardy Erased and Redone Mix although I had no particular idea why.

Both needed no eq. with just a few dB. of peak limiting. I ran a couple parts of erased and redone though a subtly softer sounding signal path because they seemed a bit crunchy but otherwise they are treated exactly the same.

I just sat back and enjoyed what they sounded like on the big speakers.

[lebouche]

For what it's worth, I much prefer the Aardy Erased and Redone Mix. That vocal offset makes the song pop a lot more. It goes from a very good record to an awesome record for me.

I'm sure a lot of the team members are married to the original vocal placement. But I'm curious if other innocent bystanders have evaluated this, and what their opinions are.

Enjoy,

Mixerman

Have to agree with you..... felt more like a pop song with the second arrangement...had more of the hit/wow factor.

It's amazing how much an arrangement can change a song:Thumbsup: I still like both versions though.

I like all the Cape songs cos they are a group achievement.

[dwoz]

fizbin, you're all wet. There's closure before the solo section, and before the breakdown section.

the vox coming to an end on the IV chord, instead of on the tonic, makes for a melodic extension, realized in the guitars, that FORCES the listener to re-cap and reprise the vox in their heads, over the closure of the gits.

THAT'S bringing the listener in. Its genius. But Since Aarrdy did it, it's really just a fortunate mistake.

"falling, with style" as the saying goes.

I concur with mixerman.

dwoz

[dwoz]

I like all the Cape songs cos they are a group achievement.


fuck that shit.


what is this...the music special olympics?


They're great because they're GREAT.


dwoz

[G. Hoffman]

Just wondering, have we been told what the actual name of the song is? I'm trying to complete my playlist on my iPod.


Gabriel

[fizbin]

fizbin, you're all wet
I'm fine actually. My opinion matters just as much as the collective-other opinions regarding this. All opinions are welcome.

the vox coming to an end on the IV chord

Help me out here...where in either version are you hearing this?

Jay

[sqkychair]

Cool song! Very modern sounding. I can easily see AAR or Cartel doing this.

Great drum bass and gtr lockup to support tunes. Two nice mixes so far!

[dwoz]

I'm fine actually. My opinion matters just as much as the collective-other opinions regarding this. All opinions are welcome.



Originally Posted by dwoz
the vox coming to an end on the IV chord

Help me out here...where in either version are you hearing this?

Jay

Well....I guess I should ask you then, what key do you think this song is in?


I think its in the key of Bmaj.

your thoughts?

dwoz

[dwoz]

By the way, since you sounded a little miffed there...you do understand that I think its a brilliant little piece of writing? I'm totally digging it...


dwoz

[dwoz]

One thing to bear in mind:


The song is the words and the melody (sometimes the chords are the melody too).

Its very very enlightening and interesting to take a song, a melody, and reharmonize it...try it with a whole different set of chords.

Fizbin, you are yearning for closure at the end of each chorus, but in service of the SONG, the idea of PREVENTING that closure by delaying the final tonic resolution actually sustains the interest and draws the listener in.

Its a fascinating study, actually...to play these two versions side-by-side, and see what happens even within simple I-VI-V-IV-I progressions. What aardy did, was substitute away your dominant resolution for a sort of bastardized plagal cadence, and it was such a simple but effective change! very VERY educational and enlightening, really!

dwoz

[dwoz]

By the way...


On my "precious" team hinterland song, our keyboardist, a "german jazzer", heard my changes, and before he could finish expressing his contempt for my pathetic simplistic harmony, he punted it, and did practically a full reharmonization. Retained the root motion, he did, precious little else. It was good.

I thought that the change that he wrought in the inter-verse interludes, changing the old-school A-7 over to an Eb-7 was a dangerous flirtation with cliche...but it DID sound good!

dwoz

[fizbin]

Well....I guess I should ask you then, what key do you think this song is in?


I think its in the key of Bmaj.

your thoughts?

dwoz

Yup - B is the key. Thinking this over, the only place the vocal comes to an end on an E major (the IV chord you mention) is in the original-not-redone-by-Aardy version (end of chorus). Are you sure you don't like that one better?

The chorus vocal stops in the "remix" version on a G#m chord and starts on an F# major (where the word "time" comes in). This is the part that really does not work for me. Sure the verse melody is pretty much interchangeable between the two sets of chords (if you break them down that way) -
||E |B ||
||F# E |B F#||

Either simple verse vocal phrase (both very similar) will work over either one of those chord changes. No question.

The real problem is when we get to the chorus. It just doesn't work. Honestly, it's difficult for me to imagine folks with pitch thinking that it does. Most notably the melodies of the chorus phrases "with you" and "disarray" have nothing to do with the chords underneath by any stretch of the imagination.

That said, I do hear some cool things that happen because of the vocal offset, especially around the bridge, however to really make it work, the chorus can't suck. Right now, in the redone version, it does IMO. This isn't a cut on Aardy, he did a great job mixing both, but I disagree with the 100% truly serendipitous mistake theory that is being propagated here.

Jay

[Fulcrum]

I listened to the "original" version before the Aardvark-Erased-And-Redone version. About the only thing that changed to my ears (bearing in mind I only heard both versions once) is a measure's offset to the vocal tracks (and maybe an imperceptible fader move here and there).

Aardvark's impeccable soundstage aside, the one thing I thought didn't work about the second mix was that the vocal didn't seem to sync with the drum phrasing going into the vocal chorus. My mind's ear wanted the "I wanna spend all my TIIIIIME" line to have coincided with the crash cymbal accent, i.e., no offset to the chorus vocal or a mildly truncated drum phrase. I did like the offset going into the "quiet sections" however, much better than the original version.

I'm not clear whether I am agreeing with fiz here by saying that, and I can't know whether my opinion would be very much different if I had listened to the Aardvark-Erased-And-Redone version first (and that's a major factor in our perception of this), but that's how I hear it.

As for the playing itself, fiz's vocal actually reminded me of late 60s-early 70s Beach Boys-- yes, that's a high compliment; and I'll echo E Shaun's allusion to Weezer and maybe suggest a bit of Ben Folds in there too. Test4Echo's drums are immaculate and propel the song quite handily.

The guitars fucking smoke. Major ups for Shortler and Crowass, and for Andrew's imaginative keys arrangement-- I would totally miss it if it weren't there.

Will be quite interesting to compare and contrast these with Charles' forthcoming mix, when he gets around to doing-- excuse me, 2 doing it.

[Aardvark]

...Both needed no eq. with just a few dB. of peak limiting. I ran a couple parts of erased and redone though a subtly softer sounding signal path because they seemed a bit crunchy but otherwise they are treated exactly the same.

I just sat back and enjoyed what they sounded like on the big speakers.

Thanks for that Bob....you made my day.


FWIW...Charles and I planned on chatting about how we used entirely different gear in our mix approaches...he of the ITB Guruness and moi whacking stuff through a plethora of top-drawer analogue boxes...can't wait to hear his version.



As for the Aardvarkian (Am I allowed to say that or is it too 'Royal we'?) change in arrangement...




...hehehehe...










....hehehehehe....













...have I ever mentioned my love of The Montrèal
Canadiens?





Cheers,
PocketRichardVark

[Fulcrum]

...have I ever mentioned my love of The Montrèal
Canadiens?

Um, not that I can recall. Can you elaborate?

Fulcrum runs for cover from the onslaught of rotten veg headed his way

[fizbin]

...have I ever mentioned my love of The Montrèal Canadiens?


I really think you should consider extending your love to the rest of the Canadiens, not just the ones from Montreal.


...and thanks again (Aardy) for the great mixes and (Bob) for the fine mastering :-)

[Charles Dye]

A little bit of (parenthetical) humor.

[dwoz]

Thanks for that Bob....you made my day.


PocketRichardVark



yeah...there's something about hearing someone like Ohlsson say that he "bare wire" transferred your mix, that tends to validate your own personal brand of insanity...

bravo.


dwoz

[Crowass]

Thanks for that Bob....you made my day.


FWIW...Charles and I planned on chatting about how we used entirely different gear in our mix approaches...he of the ITB Guruness and moi whacking stuff through a plethora of top-drawer analogue boxes...can't wait to hear his version.



As for the Aardvarkian (Am I allowed to say that or is it too 'Royal we'?) change in arrangement...




...hehehehe...










....hehehehehe....













...have I ever mentioned my love of The Montrèal
Canadiens?





Cheers,
PocketRichardVark


LMAO!! I freakin knew it! I only made one little crack, and BOOM! Half the tracks lose a measure. What'dya expect outa us southern Hab not types?

Thanks for stepping up Aardy! I would have hated to subject the population of this august body to one of my "around the box and thru the crap in my racks" mixes. I'd have done it, but still hated it. Thanks for making this unnecessary :lol:

Remembering Guy in the green and black, Cup held high,
Dave

[badperson]

man, great mix.

Very catchy changes, and I like the sound of the vocalist, very cool.

I only listened to the "redone" mix, will check out the other later.
bp