So what's the deal with this newfangled logic 8 thingy?

[Les Ismore]

Howdy howdy howdy,
So what's the deal with this newfangled logic 8 thingy?
Is this a toy or is it something that can be a real professional alternative to porridgetools?
I bought a copy of it recently and find it very interesting from a compositional point of view, however it seems very buggy to me.
Is that just me? I find stutters, noises, clicks etc. without any message saying there's a problem with system usage etc.
I am a neophite on logic but have used PT since before it was concieved.
Are any of you using it to run live sessions with? Successfully?
(I am running it on a g4 1.5 laptop with 2 g ram and bought it for remote recording but am not feeling secure in it's abilities.)
Thanks in advance for your wise, informed and knowledgeable replies.

[Haroun]

Hi, Les.
I cut my teeth in TDM years ago, but have been using Logic exclusively for the last few years. I migrated to 8 recently with great success (thankfully) and am running it on a dual 2.7 G5 with 4.5 gigs of ram.

It works for well for me with no issues (though I know there are some), save the occasional graphic bug. As to how intensive it is on an older machine, well, I'm not sure. I'm sure there are many tweaks you can perform to maximize the performance for your laptop.

Sorry I have no hard answers, except, it works very well for me, and I enjoy using it for composition as well as mixing. I may actually like it for editing too, once I get the handle on the new rev.

Best,
Haroun

[Oberlehrer]

(I am running it on a g4 1.5 laptop with 2 g ram and bought it for remote recording but am not feeling secure in it's abilities.)

If I recall correctly the minimum system requirement is 1.25 G4, so a 1.5 G4 should be sufficient but pretty much at the bottom.

I'm getting my Logic 8 upgrade tomorrow and will report my findings if I get it to run.

[pounce]

logic is not without it's quirks, but what drew me to try logic is it's reputation for efficiency. the sheer quantity of tracks and plugs you can squeeze out of it regularly beats out DP and the like. so i got it. what i'm primarily expect from it is a better track and plug in count than the competition.

however, see slippermans thoughts on logic 8 for some of the important quirks.

that said, maybe include some other system details to see if we can suss out the cause of any audio sputters and other gremlins. you should not be having any of that.

[Les Ismore]

that said, maybe include some other system details to see if we can suss out the cause of any audio sputters and other gremlins. you should not be having any of that.

running osx 10.4.11, 1.5gz PPC g4 powerbook, 2g ram. good firewire drive, apogee ensemble and or motu firewire interface (can't remember the #).

what really doesn't inspire my confidence is the lack of any kind of notification that there was a problem. I hear the problem but there is no popup screen unless I engage the i/o safety buffer which increases the latency to unusable amounts. It seems like if the cpu meter gets anywhere around 1/2 way up I get audio artifacts.
The latency seems more unruly on this as well in general. Perhaps one just needs a new mac pro to run this. Still, it doesn't inspire confidence at all.

[Ian-H]

Been running it about a month. Overall it's great and has many new features and improved workflow. Must caution, however, that it has some significant bugs which are real ballbreakers. If you're doing serious work, and depend on the machine, wait for the first bug fix. If you want to play, rage on gonzo!

[otek]

Les, to me the problems you're having sounds very much like what you'd expect from an underpowered computer.

That said, Logic 8 truly has a lot of bugs still, and I too am waiting for the next update.


otek

[pounce]

i did just switch up from the powebook to the macbook pro, so that was my way to totally cover my ass. that said, i'd done a number of multitrack sessions with the powebook that seemed to be fine, but that was with DP.

a nice thing about the macbook pro if you had the interest in switching up to it is that is has the firewire 800 and 400 ports, so the next time i track with this i'll put the hard drive on the firewire 800 port and keep the interface on the firewire 400 port. that won't hurt either.

[Les Ismore]

yeah no problems w/ DP here either.
my powerbook does have fw 400 + 800 already btw.
I think I'll just use logic for noodling around compositionaly myself and use a more pro app for clients, at least until they iron out these bugs.

[otek]

I think I'll just use logic for noodling around compositionaly myself and use a more pro app for clients, at least until they iron out these bugs.

Sorry, but to call Logic "less pro" because it has bugs.... I would call that pure rhetoric.


otek

[vocalnick]

Sorry, but to call Logic "less pro" because it has bugs.... I would call that pure rhetoric.


Ayup. If nothing else, on a purely practical level, if you restrict your choice of DAW only to products with no bugs, you'll find your choices are pretty much nil. :Razz:

As far as dropouts, glitches etc.... as I've said elsewhere in here, I've done some light recording work (just CAPE stuff so far), and played back the demo sessions on my absolutely vanilla bottom of the line Macbook with no performance problems whatsoever.

[pounce]

i finally am using a macbook pro and i'm sure that the little bit of multitrack work i'll do with it will go splendidly. i was able to accomplish similar work on the powerbook. this will eliminate the bottlenecks i had before for sure. i am not going to be doing much audio work on the macbook pro, but i like having a dual core processor and two gigs of ram, which is a big bump up from what i had on the powerbook. i've only played around with logic on here and it seems to work just fine. as does the latest iteration of DP which locks in leopard compatibility. a nice move from motu. frankly, it's waiting for the m audio drivers to arrive for leopard is what's got my craw.

[jord]

Sorry, but to call Logic "less pro" because it has bugs.... I would call that pure rhetoric.

I couldn't agree with this statement more...

As was said before, all DAWs have bugs. Despite Logic's bugs, Logic 8 is still very useable. No dropouts and stuff here, and I beat the crap out of it as hard as the next Logic user, both on my G5 and my MBP.

I'd more or less look at how it is being run. A 1.5GHz PBG4 is rather low on Logic's food chain. Not to mention how energy settings are set on the PB as well as what peripherals you're feeding into this thang.

jord