The Sound of Logic as a Daw

[EyreSpace]

Not trying to stir the shit here, but I had a major epiphany this week. I'm a long time ProTools user, quite adept with it. Someone gave me the Sargent Pepper 4 track files and I've listened to them several times within a protools session.

I picked up Logic 8 and thought, well I'm pretty familiar with the Sargent Pepper stuff, I'll pull those audio files into Logic and give it a listen....

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Why does it sound so much deeper, wider, detailed than it does in protools??????

I listened to each track solo'd several times and it sounded so much more like music.

Back to Protools, sounds okay, still can hear everything.

Back to Logic, wow! Sounds better, especially the bass instruments. Remarkably better. Clearer. Enjoyable.

Pulled in a tune I recorded last week. Everything sounds bettter than I remember. Easier to eq, compress, mix.

Am I nuts?

[Dubnick]

Go into Song Settings and check your pan law - that's likely the reason for the most dramatic differences. I will say that I prefer the sound of Logic, but it's probably more the quality of plug-ins than anything else, as I don't hear a significant difference with raw audio files.

[Cheech]

If you are nuts, then I am nuts too!

I think we have enough people that agree, that we are not nuts... it sounds bigger and better to me.

:Thumbsup:

[jord]

Of course, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. :Twisted:

Although I have always been a Logic user for 20 years, I will argue that any competent engineer that knows his rig should be able to squeeze any type of sound, be it deeper, wider, clearer, whatever, out of it.

Look at what Charles Dye squeezes out of ProTools. You hear all sorts of stuff coming out of his DAW. I may not agree with certain mixes at times, but I'm more than certain that his mixes are done with a high degree of intent.

jord

[EyreSpace]

And I have many years of Pro Tools experience. I'm not looking to jump platforms any time soon, this is my first impression with Logic.

I'm not talking about mixes, I'm talking about individual tracks with no processing, no eq, no panning. And, I think they raw audio sounds better, more musical, fuller in Logic, especially bass instruments.

I can't explain it. I don't understand it. Tracks, (not mixes, I haven't mixed anything in Logic) raw tracks sound more "musicial" to me when played back in Logic.

I think any competent engineer would be scratching his head in puzzlement, a position I find myself in now.

[Bob Olhsson]

I suspect it's the floating point math.

[malice]

Back to Logic, wow! Sounds better, especially the bass instruments. Remarkably better. Clearer. Enjoyable.

This is nothing


Put them in Cubase/Nuendo now


































KIDDING :D



malice

[iSchwartz]

Prior to the introduction of PTHD, I felt that tracks in PT sounded ever-so-slightly superior to Logic 7, meaning marginally more transparent and detailed. Having had a chance recently to compare Logic 7 on a PTHD rig, Logic 7 won this time.

Recently having brought a track into Logic 8 originally done in Logic 7, I don't think I like L8's "sound" very much. I'm sure I wouldn't know the difference if I started a song on L8 tho. You know how it is... you adapt. But anyway, that's my take on the sitch.

[RobS]

Like Bob said. Plus in l8 it's 64 bit.... The math not the daw's software itself.

[Cheech]

Of course, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. :Twisted:

Although I have always been a Logic user for 20 years, I will argue that any competent engineer that knows his rig should be able to squeeze any type of sound, be it deeper, wider, clearer, whatever, out of it.

Look at what Charles Dye squeezes out of ProTools. You hear all sorts of stuff coming out of his DAW. I may not agree with certain mixes at times, but I'm more than certain that his mixes are done with a high degree of intent.

jord


Makes me wonder..... What could Chuckdood do in Logic? :Wink:

[Dubnick]

Like Bob said. Plus in l8 it's 64 bit.... The math not the daw's software itself. Actually, and I could be wrong here, but I don't believe Logic 8 is 64bit yet. I know Sonar is and a few others, but I believe Logic 8 is just 32 bit floating point.

[mykllynyrd]

Put them in Cubase/Nuendo now

KIDDING :D

malice



Is Steinberg's math or audio engine or whatever makes one program "sound" different from another DAW (Logic) bad IYHO?

[Bob Olhsson]

64 bit memory addressing is completely different from 64 bit floating point math calculations. My understanding is that most native processing today is done using 80 bit floating point math.

[jord]

Actually, and I could be wrong here, but I don't believe Logic 8 is 64bit yet. I know Sonar is and a few others, but I believe Logic 8 is just 32 bit floating point.

As Bob stated, audio processing and memory addressing are two different beasts. Logic is mainly a 32-bit floating point audio processing engine, but it does use 64-bit for precision in certain areas. My best guess on this is in certain plug-ins.

jord