Logic 8, cut fade and edit.. doesn't preserve edit?

[RWC]

I was recording a weird voiceover the other day. I still prefer the method of recording a new take on a separate track with the same bussing/effects as the first take, labeling it as the second take because of some of the bugs I encountered with early versions of 8's quick swipe comping. I also like seeing everything in front of me at the same time.

I move the track up, and edited it accordingly. I didn't consolidate the edited regions. I noticed now that since I cut the beginning off, it didn't start at 0 anymore, which I prefer. So I edited heads and tails and selected the regions that were faded together, and dragged them to 0.

My edit got moved, the fade was at the end. I don't remember exactly what happened but the fade and edit I made wasn't preserved at all..

is this a bug in early versions of 8, or is there an option anywhere? I move things around like that pretty often. It seems like a lot of small editing jobs in logic require 5 steps where they require 1 in nuendo. I can't go back to nuendo because I work so well in logic.. but the small editing bugs in 8 and the quick swipe comping are driving me a little crazy.

[lebouche]

Me too, the shorten selection thingy sems to be moving the file sometimes. Lots of bugs.
Had a random burst of white noise yesterday. That was quite fun.
Reason not working in rewire in one song but on another.
:Cry: :Sad: Like life is just already too easy at the mo.
Good luck...

[jord]

Cutting the left side of a comped track is an acknowledged issue (it's published in the tech notes on Apple's site). Shortening the right side is okay... just not the left on a comped track.

Either automate a mute channel or render that track and edit it then.

jord

[RWC]

so far it seems logic 7 is to logic 8 as windows 2000 is to vista..

thanks guys, for a sec I thought I was just going nuts.

the inability to cut on the left makes the comp feature pretty useless, since I need to cut to a certain point to get a good fade. I was looking forward to that feature in 8.

[jord]

Like I said before, you can always render the track and cut to the left. The comp feature has been very useful over here, despite the left side problem.

Logic 8 has been very useful here... Vista was erased from our PC's. So much for that comparison. :Twisted:

jord

[Ashermusic]

so far it seems logic 7 is to logic 8 as windows 2000 is to vista..

thanks guys, for a sec I thought I was just going nuts.

the inability to cut on the left makes the comp feature pretty useless, since I need to cut to a certain point to get a good fade. I was looking forward to that feature in 8.

The Swipe Comp feature is only meant to get it into the ballpark. You then need to "flatten" the take folder to do proper crossfading and fine tuning.

[jord]

The Swipe Comp feature is only meant to get it into the ballpark.

Yer shittin' me... right?

jord

[Ashermusic]

Yer shittin' me... right?

jord

No, I am not. The problem with Swipe Comping is that as you are swiping a portion of a Take, there is no help tag that shows you either how many bars/beats or minutes/seconds you are swiping so it cannot be as precise as we need it to be. Once you "Flatten" it, however, you can easily adjust those regions in the Comp and add the crossfades precisely. In fact, if you switch the Drag mode to X-Fade, Logic will do it for you somewhat.

Swipe Comping is only at 1.0 and it is not a panacea but something meant to make the process easier for newbies.

Pros like you are still going to want to Flatten the Take folder to do the detailed kind of editing that pros do.

[jord]

Sorry, but I don't buy into the lack of a "tool tip" being detrimental to its precision. I can't speak for any of the other pros on this forum, but I don't comp by numbers. My ears are my final judge and not my eyes. If my ears don't like it, what good are looking at numbers? And if I need to precisely zone in on certain region, that's what zooming is for. And let's not forget that there's a bar ruler if you really need to see just about how many bars and beats of a region you comped.

Then, I can flatten it and cross-fade further if need be.

Comping by numbers can be just as dangerous as mixing with your eyes.

jord

[Ashermusic]

Sorry, but I don't buy into the lack of a "tool tip" being detrimental to its precision. I can't speak for any of the other pros on this forum, but I don't comp by numbers. My ears are my final judge and not my eyes. If my ears don't like it, what good are looking at numbers? And if I need to precisely zone in on certain region, that's what zooming is for. And let's not forget that there's a bar ruler if you really need to see just about how many bars and beats of a region you comped.

Then, I can flatten it and cross-fade further if need be.

Comping by numbers can be just as dangerous as mixing with your eyes.

jord

Well, for the record, that isn't what Apple says, it is my opinion. And it doesn't have to be an either/or thing. Your ears do not turn off when you engage your eyes. Also, as you cannot hear it as you are swiping, only after you have accomplished the swipe, I believe that you are more likely to swipe something your ears will like if you see a temporal or musical indication of just what you are swiping.

Either way, to get a comp you will be happy with, you still have to Flatten it and tweak the regions/crossfades or you are unlikely to get a very satisfactory result with the Take folders as they are presently implemented.

[jord]

I think you're confusing my two statements. I was referring to comping by numbers... I never said not to use your eyes when comping. You definitely need to view what waveforms you are comping (otherwise, you'll be comping the wrong waveforms :Coolio:). I don't find having tool tip numbers would help nor hurt, though. And, not having the tool tip does not equate to a rough guess or ballpark.

jord

[Ashermusic]

I think you're confusing my two statements. I was referring to comping by numbers... I never said not to use your eyes when comping. You definitely need to view what waveforms you are comping (otherwise, you'll be comping the wrong waveforms :Coolio:). I don't find having tool tip numbers would help nor hurt, though. And, not having the tool tip does not equate to a rough guess or ballpark.

jord

Well, I would find it helpful.
Either way, as I say you are going to want to Flatten the comp for more specific region edits/crossfades. That is the intended workflow.

[jord]

Flattening is not an issue... in fact I would recommend it because there are still indeed some bugs that surface when Logic hiccups.

I encountered one last night... Logic had a small hiccup and the audio itself for two of my vocal comp tracks all of a sudden were off. It was totally weird. Worst part was that I had plenty of time to flatten the track.

If anything, I decided to re-comp it the ol' fashioned way only because I didn't feel like doing a hit and miss on a comp track. Comp tracks only work for me when I have an established take. Once I have to get it out of the audio bin, it may as well be done the tried and true way, which almost takes me back to my good ol' days of tape, a razor blade, chalk and a splicing block... except without the mess. :Coolio:

Fortunately for me, I'm just as quick using either method. :)

[Ashermusic]

Flattening is not an issue... in fact I would recommend it because there are still indeed some bugs that surface when Logic hiccups.

I encountered one last night... Logic had a small hiccup and the audio itself for two of my vocal comp tracks all of a sudden were off. It was totally weird. Worst part was that I had plenty of time to flatten the track.

If anything, I decided to re-comp it the ol' fashioned way only because I didn't feel like doing a hit and miss on a comp track. Comp tracks only work for me when I have an established take. Once I have to get it out of the audio bin, it may as well be done the tried and true way, which almost takes me back to my good ol' days of tape, a razor blade, chalk and a splicing block... except without the mess. :Coolio:

Fortunately for me, I'm just as quick using either method. :)

We have achieved synchronicity :)

[jord]

We have achieved synchronicity :)


:icon_eek: Damn! Now, I'm scared! :icon_eek:


jord

[Ashermusic]

:icon_eek: Damn! Now, I'm scared! :icon_eek:


jord

As well you should be, as now you are in way over your head :)

[jord]

As well you should be, as now you are in way over your head :)


I'll say... couldn't even spell it before! Not to mention why The Police wrote a song with it in the title and nowhere mentioned in the lyrics (in the case of Synchronicity II).

jord