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Spock
November 8th, 2006, 06:37 AM
Bands are always looking for someone to “make them sound good”, or “are good to work with”, but I’m here to tell you that what could look like a real good move can backfire one you.

I’ve always been in small bands, in most cases we played small places and being vocal heavy all we needed was a static monitor mix that represented what it sounded like out front. We could most of the times mix ourselves, and had our own PA.

Get a family member to mix, it’s cheap and you should be able to work with them, was the thought. About 10 years ago we had a little cover band going and things were picking up, getting more gigs. I know, I’ll have the wife mix for us. I’d do most of the setup and then hand things over to her. This was working real well. It had the added advantage of her being too busy to get trashed with her friend Ami while we played. (Maybe later I'll get to the stories of the car getting towed, or the puking in the bass player's)

Well all good things have to come to an end. Our guitar player, a doctor, got a job in another city, so we booked a last gig. That last gig we had a good night, good crowd, things were going real well. We come down to he last song. We always ended with the same song, “Take Me To The River” by the Talking Heads, which I sang.

A lot of people had cleared out by this time. We start the song, and this blond hair, blue eyed extremely well built young woman gets up on the dance floor and starts the most seductive dance I’ve ever seen. Everyone else cleared out of the way, and she had the floor all to herself. You guessed it, the wife was giving me the evil eye from behind the board. Now, I didn’t do anything, I still don’t know to this day who that woman was, but I could tell from the look I was getting it wasn’t going to be a fun ride home.

Then things got worse. The woman on the dance floor started making that “I want to take you home and rock your world” type of look, right to me! Not anyone else in the band, just to me. She was dancing and spinning around, but kept her eyes locked on. The whole bar noticed it, and was now watching the show she was putting on, and how I was reacting. This was starting to get weird real quick, almost like an axe murdering psycho was watching me.

I can see the wife is just getting more and more pissed. Finally, the end of the song. “Thanks, everyone, goodnight!!” Good god, that’s over. The wife comes up to the stage just as the bass player and drummer say to me. “Holy shit, I bet you were thinking, why didn’t happened before you got married.” Of course the wife hears that comment and it just makes her madder, I get smacked for it even though I didn’t say a thing.

“But, dear, what did I do?”

“You, you, you know what you did.”

I was just lucky that we didn’t have any gigs for while.



Now, who else has a story about a poor choice of a mixer?

invisibl
November 10th, 2006, 04:34 AM
Sorry, But I got to compose myself after reading that..

Thats just the sort of dumb luck I get.. Only I'm too dumb to even notice..

I was at a friends going away party and had had a small drink or 20 and was gasbagging to a friends friend without thinking anything more of it. It wasnt until I was going home with my then girlfriend ( now my wife) that I got the stinkeye and a hundred accusations of flirting....

Apparently this girl wasVERY keen on me and I absolutely oblivious to it..

Didnt get the slap for it.. But it was a long lonely night after that..

bunnerabb
November 10th, 2006, 09:05 AM
Everybody's always asking me "When are you going to put another band together?"

And, the fact that putting up with the mechanics of working with four other ego cases in shitty bars every night for a living not withstanding, I always say " I aint, because I can't find a soundman who would mix it like I would and I can't do both."

I walk into live shows on the club level and almost every... single... show sounds like ass. It's some d0ofus that married somebody's cousin or somebody's drinking buddy and it's just blitheringly loud, mashed together, no bottom end, piercing brain dart goo.

I can't even stay.

Spock
November 10th, 2006, 04:59 PM
I hear you bunner.

Right now the guys I'm with are a small group, we put up the speakers on the sticks, and set the mix from the stage, and then LISTEN to each other.

The wife and I were checking out a new place to eat that just open near us. So on this Friday night they have a little trio setting up. All the guys are playing acoustic guitars. As we are eating these guys are for 15 minutes, yes a full 15 minutes do the "check, check, test one, two" into the mics and listening to the monitors. then tweaking their board they had on stage.

Now first off, they need to read the Goes211 post... screw the monitor sound, work on the FOH first. Well these guys start. They do some CSN song to start with. Good vocal blend, but the sound was just a bunch of brain darts. Only one of the guys had a guitar that sounded good, they other two guys had that very harsh sound from a built in cheap pickup.




The food was nothing to talk about, bland for a place that said it is TexMex, and over priced.

bunnerabb
November 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Well...

I tend to sort the monitors first and if the band has in ears, they do it on their stage rig.

Once they're happy, and especially if i have to put up with the monitors hitting the house, (and .. ya know... they usually affect the house mix a lot), then I set up my stuff over top in the house so that one isn't fighting the other.

Also, I have no problems with:


Running a comp on every channel.
Telling the guitar player to turn the fuck down. Period.
Padding unruly snares that eat the house.
Telling the drummer to tune their fucking kit. ( I have the guys I work with come up on break and ask "Are the drums still good?" and they know I'll give them good advice.)
Re-eqing certain things for cetain songs to make it sound like the record.
Cmpletely inventing rooms with some of the most ostensibly useless equalisation curves you ever seen.
Fidding levels on harmony heavy bands if their mic technique sucks. ( A`la "la la la la WOOOOO WOOOO".)


Everybody thinks it's about sorting the room or sorting the idiosyncrasies of the band or sorting the rig or making it sound like the record.

It's not.

It's about sorting the room, sorting the idiosyncrasies of the band, sorting the rig and making it sound like the record.

$.02 USD

Spock
November 10th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Real good points bunner, one of these days I'm going to have to stop by your gig.

I guess what I wasn't clear about....

These guys never once came out out front to hear what it sounded like.

Some non-hyped as hell mics would have helped. And someone that knows what they are doing setting the EQ for the system and it would have be a OK.

Droolbucket
November 10th, 2006, 06:17 PM
And someone that knows what they are doing setting the EQ for the system and it would have be a OK.


I think a license should be required to purchase a graphic EQ, just like a firearm. Until the end user is tested to make sure he's competent, he gets a 3-knob strip, bass-mid-high, with no more than 3 db cut or boost.

My older brother's first band had a sound guy who decided to buy a graphic EQ when they first came out. The retailer was giving him a demo, saying, "Let's say you have too much midrange. You can cut these sliders here to smooth out the mid response, without changing the bottom or top end!" The EQ was shaped into the now-classic smiley-face.
The sound guy took the EQ home, carefully copied the smiley-face curve on a piece of paper, and took the paper to every job. Part of his sound check routine was pulling out the paper and making sure the EQ followed the smiley-face exactly. Every gig, every room, every time.

I need more coffee......

Droolbucket

Spock
November 10th, 2006, 07:17 PM
I think a license should be required to purchase a graphic EQ, just like a firearm.

I agree.

Many years ago we got this gig at a larger place with a nice house system. My younger brother was doing sound for us at the time. We start setting up and getting things going. The monitors were just nasty. One look at the monitor EQ made my jaw drop. All the bands were pulled down to between -10 and -15. The first thing we did was put the damn thing flat and start over.

bunnerabb
November 10th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Real good points bunner, one of these days I'm going to have to stop by your gig.

I guess what I wasn't clear about....

These guys never once came out out front to hear what it sounded like.


Ahhhhhh.. ok.

*wanker animated gif, here*

ggunn
November 10th, 2006, 11:33 PM
Story on myself:

Back in the dim dark past when I was young and stupid, some friends played a gig and asked me to mix FOH in a club with a house system. Before the band even started, with CD (no, it must have been casette in those days) playing through the mains, I started wanking about with the house EQ.

I was relieved of my duties by the house sound guy, forthwith. I was lucky they didn't toss me into the street.

AxeSlash
November 13th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Said EQ licenses should be witheld from all DJs, period.

Every DJ's graphic has a big grin on it's face. Usually with red LED teeth, which sit next a a triangular logo with an ear in it.