Starting point FX Sends & Returns?

[Shan]

What's everyones "starting point" FX sends these days?

Send 1 - Waves IR-1 verb using Westlake Studio D IR.
Send 2 - TL Space verb using EMT 140 Plate IR.
Send 3 - Waves IR-1 verb using EMT 140 Plate IR.
Send 4 - Oxford Reverb for halls or chambers etc.
Send 5 - Waves Doubler for my fake Eventide 910 effect. I've tried the Eventide 910 plug-in but didnt have any luck with it.
Send 6 - Moogerfooger Phaser, TL EveryPhase, Waves Metaflager, Waves Mondomod.(These always change for me)
Send 7 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/8 delay for instruments.
Send 8 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/4 delay for instruments.
Send 9 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/2 delay for instruments.
Send 10 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/8 for Vox.
Send 11 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/4 for Vox.
Send 12 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/2 for Vox.

My delays change the most from session to session. Many of the delays will be followed by different EQs, McDSP AC 2, Bombfactory Cosmonaut, Colortone with the spacey tape IR etc. I'm always messing with the tone and routing of my delays.

Those are my Send flavors for this week anyways. :very happy:

Shane

[5down1up]

heres my basic fx layout. i am still using mix hardware either running pt or logic.

Send1 PCM91
Send2 H3000D/SE
Send3 AMS 1580
Send4 TC 1210
Send5 SPX90A
Send6 SPX90B
Send7 Space Echo
Send8-X TDM "Vodoo"

[Brendo]

What's everyones "starting point" FX sends these days?

Send 1 - Waves IR-1 verb using Westlake Studio D IR.
Send 2 - TL Space verb using EMT 140 Plate IR.
Send 3 - Waves IR-1 verb using EMT 140 Plate IR.
Send 4 - Oxford Reverb for halls or chambers etc.
Send 5 - Waves Doubler for my fake Eventide 910 effect. I've tried the Eventide 910 plug-in but didnt have any luck with it.
Send 6 - Moogerfooger Phaser, TL EveryPhase, Waves Metaflager, Waves Mondomod.(These always change for me)
Send 7 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/8 delay for instruments.
Send 8 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/4 delay for instruments.
Send 9 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/2 delay for instruments.
Send 10 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/8 for Vox.
Send 11 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/4 for Vox.
Send 12 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/2 for Vox.

My delays change the most from session to session. Many of the delays will be followed by different EQs, McDSP AC 2, Bombfactory Cosmonaut, Colortone with the spacey tape IR etc. I'm always messing with the tone and routing of my delays.

Those are my Send flavors for this week anyways. :very happy:

Shane

You run TWELVE different effects sends?!

[Shan]

Nope. That's just my starting point. I usually average 6-10 on most tracks. I have alot of different types of sends in an FX send template already set up and routed that I import into my mix session.

My FX sends template has over 25 aux returns of various things I might start with already routed and ready to go. It gets me started on a mix faster.

I'll import what I need, tweak it, and get to work.

But I did use 11 on my current mix and only 5 on the two previous mixes. Whatever makes the track work and the client happy. :)

Shane

[Goes211]

I tend to avoid 'preset anything' like the plague.

Just having the sends set up identically kinda forces you into a certain direction, methinks.
Setting up sends in a DAW takes about 5 seconds...why bother otherwise ? And each project is different. On some projects I only have a couple sends, on others I have 12.
But I have no idea what I'm gonna need on the next project, nor do I want to have a verb preset ready for it.

Send 7 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/8 delay for instruments.
Send 8 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/4 delay for instruments.
Send 9 - Lexicon PSP 42 or Moogerfooger Analog Delay set at 1/2 delay for instruments.
Send 10 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/8 for Vox.
Send 11 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/4 for Vox.
Send 12 - Digi Mod Delay II set at 1/2 for Vox.

My delays change the most from session to session. Many of the delays will be followed by different EQs, McDSP AC 2, Bombfactory Cosmonaut, Colortone with the spacey tape IR etc. I'm always messing with the tone and routing of my delays.


Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to imply there's GONNA BE some delay on your next project. You know that for a fact ?!? To me it's like having the Hammond and leslie all miked up and ready to go...I don't even know if I'm gonna need Hammond on the next project. I prefer a fresh approach.

But to each his own, just my 2 cents.

[malice]

I don't have template setups.

Every record to mix is a new adventure. I have quite a few pluggs and Hardware FX units, and I rarely use the same combination, and they are even rarelier (is that the right word) lit up at the same time.

malice

[Shan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to imply there's GONNA BE some delay on your next project. You know that for a fact ?!?

My next 2 projects in fact will have gobs of delay(unfortunately). My current project just completed was full on rock to be released in Canada with minimal delays and very little verbs.

The next two projects are full on Bhangra that will go straight to Northern Punjab and the Bombay market. The music over there is very very wet and super bright on the high end. Bollywood has a completely different sound as do other parts of the world. If I give it a North American Rock/Pop mix approach, it would never fly over there at all. Different countrys have different "mixing trends". But, I have my bag of tricks that make those mixes appear to have goopy verbs and delays yet they really dont. Tons of automation on those ones for sure. :icon_eek:

Shane

[Empty Planet]

Bollywood has a completely different sound as do other parts of the world. If I give it a North American Rock/Pop mix approach, it would never fly over there at all. Different countrys have different "mixing trends".

Well, you know, that makes a lot of logical sense, but I never suspected that. It's really interesting. Be kinda cool to see a list of all the different qualities prized by various locations around the world -- but as we sometimes have trouble agreeing on just the qualities of a North American rock mix, maybe that would be long list.

Back to the topic. I have reverb and delay channels "stored" in a folder on my desktop, something Cubase SX allows you to do. I've saved channel settings for combinations that I liked, and when I think a certain effect chain is needed for a mix I just import it to a group channel in SX. That way I have my favorite plugins already set up at a starting point I like, along with a post-effect eq that's already in the ballpark.

Almost like have an assistant, which I definitely do NOT have. :grin:


Cheers.


:Coolio:

[Charles Dye]

I tend to avoid 'preset anything' like the plague.

Just having the sends set up identically kinda forces you into a certain direction, methinks.

So, do you find yourself always using unique spaces on every mix? Methinks you don't.

But mesbeenknowntobewrong.

[Charles Dye]

Seriously tho, the idea for me behind the FX template is, that after creating all my FX from scratch for every single mix, I realized that I was often going back to similar plugz + settings. They were never indentical, but close enough that I was repeating many of the same steps over + over.

So, I created a set of starting point FX that I would import into every session. This basically gave me all the verbs, delays, flanges, etc I might need. By the end of the mix I would have tweaked them + not used others. But this would get me started on my mix in a single step, instead of the vibe-killing intermittentency of creating an aux, setting up the routing, labelling, instantiating the plug + setting up the parameters.

With all the FX waiting for me to use them @ the start of the mix, it makes putting a room, plate, chamber, delay, flange, or harmonizer a very intuitve process, instead of mixus interuptus.

[Skwaidu]

With all the FX waiting for me to use them @ the start of the mix, it makes putting a room, plate, chamber, delay, flange, or harmonizer a very intuitve process, instead of mixus interuptus.

PT 7.3 actually helps with this department with no need to interrupt playback and the right-click bus renaming...

But anyhoo, I too have lately been importing some basic fx from a previous mix, no fixed "template" but just a tad of that anyway...

It's usually been the masters for the summing unit feeds, the master return(aux) with some possible processing, and some fx auxes. A return for the EMT, some Echoboy DLs,(Usually a mono slap and a longer pingpong...) and a pitchblender for harmonizing... Indeed helps in the quickness department somewhat. I still often end up creating stuff from scratch to suit the particular idea.

[Charles Dye]

PT 7.3 actually helps with this department with no need to interrupt playback and the right-click bus renaming...

Yeah, all those new features are awesome. I really love em.

But the interuptus isn't from stopping playback, as much as it is from spending the time to do all that crap to set up a new FX v. just going to the aux list + picking the one I want. All set + ready to go.

Way faster + more conducive to creative thinking.

[otek]

I don't use a standard template for all projects, but I do use it for an album or within a specific project. The FX layout gets copied to every song once I get a feel for what I need.

[zoff]

A little off topic, but can I get the split Harmonizer effect with SoundToys Crystallizer

[Comte de St Germain]

A little off topic, but can I get the split Harmonizer effect with SoundToys Crystallizer

I dunno I have a PT LE rig that isn't hooked up.

But my fave Old school eventide thing is in the Audio Damage Dischord 2. It's 40 bucks or so.

[Shan]

A little off topic, but can I get the split Harmonizer effect with SoundToys Crystallizer

I dont think you can. That seems to be aimed toward the reverse echo style of effects. A few that can do this that come to mind are Digi DPP-1, (http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=121&langid=100&itemid=1043) Sound Blender, (http://www.soundtoys.com/products/SoundBlender/) Eventide H910, H949, Quadravox, H3000 factory, Octavox, (http://www.eventide.com/plugins/anthologyii-summary.htm) Waves Doubler. (http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=117) There are probably quite a few more out there that can accomplish this.

Shane

[FajitaTone]

I have an H3000B as a HW insert into one of my 888's at my home studio. There's also a Distressor and a dbx160x in my analog insert chain. For everything else, I start from scratch, but I do grab from other sessions if I like how something was set.


At work, I use templates for De-Ess, Dynamics and EQ for the each announcer, but I tweak the settings based on spot content, music, fx, mood etc.


That's how I roll
:Coolio:

[Charles Dye]

Well, Cystallizer is kinda set up to do more feedbackie kinda pitch FX, but my guess is yes.

It is a harmonizer. I (think) it's stereo. Right? It has a delay also built in. So, I would think you should be able to.

Does that help, or do you need to know settings + stuff?


BTW, what platform are you on?

[zoff]

Well, Cystallizer is kinda set up to do more feedbackie kinda pitch FX, but my guess is yes.
It is a harmonizer. I (think) it's stereo. Right?
Yes.


It has a delay also built in. So, I would think you should be able to.

Does that help, or do you need to know settings + stuff?

That would be great. I got close but I still hear an element of pitch glide that I want to get rid of. I have to play with it when I have more time.


BTW, what platform are you on?

ProTools LE 7.3.

Thanks very much for the reply!

[Charles Dye]

I don't have xact Crystallizer settings, more like generic settings that can apply to any stereo harmonizer/delay.

Split Harmonizer Effect

Left: +9 cents / 14ms / 16k LPF / No Fdbk / Pan Hard Left

Right: -9 cents / 19ms / 16k LPF / No Fdbk / Pan Hard Right

Using the above settings or simlar on most harmonizers should work fine. I often use digi's Pitch (formerly DPP-1) in an emulation of a pair of split Eventide 910 Harmonizers. Using a mono AUX Input and a Mono/Stereo Pitch (DPP-1), I set one side to +9 cents with a delay of 14ms — and no feedback. I set the other side to –9 cents, a delay of 19ms, and no feedback. I then pan them hard left and right.

Just after Pitch, I insert an LPF at 16k to roll-off the top end. This helps emulate the older 910's, which had less bandwidth. It also makes the harmonized return warmer than the source (which is a good thing, keeping the listener's focus on the source) + lessens the bird-chirping artifacts sometimes created by harmonizers.

This effect does a very good job of widening mono signals, as well as thickening stereo ones. It can also be used with a stereo AUX Input and a stereo harmonizer, I just prefer the mono set-up. I normally set the AUX Send level to the Split Harmonizer @ around -19 dB.

Wave Mechanic's Pitch Blender or Waves Doubler both work quite well for this effect as well.

Hope this helps.

[Comte de St Germain]

It's an AU or VST but the Audio Damage Dischord (as I stated earlier) is easy to dial in and gets the 910 and 949 thing pretty damn spot on.

And Chaz it's +13 and -13 here.

[Shan]

It's an AU or VST but the Audio Damage Dischord...


Audio Damage Discord. (http://www.audiodamage.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=18)

Thanks for the heads up on this one. I'll have to check it out. And for $49 that's a steal.

Any thoughts on their Mutron Bi-Phase plug-in? (http://www.audiodamage.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=12) I'll have to check that gem out also.

Shane

[Comte de St Germain]

Audio Damage Discord. (http://www.audiodamage.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=18)

Thanks for the heads up on this one. I'll have to check it out. And for $49 that's a steal.

Any thoughts on their Mutron Bi-Phase plug-in? (http://www.audiodamage.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=12) I'll have to check that gem out also.

Shane


FWIW I love Audio Damage but...

The Bi-Phase is my least fave of their stuff.

The analogish delay (Dubstation) and the Lexicon 200ish verb (Reverence) are the best of the bunch behind Dischord.

My .02

[otek]

The Bi-Phase is my least fave of their stuff.

The Comte has a lot of cool vintage gear.

I am guessing he owns the original bi-phase.... makes it hard to like a plugin clone. :lol:

[jord]

I am guessing he owns the original bi-phase.... makes it hard to like a plugin clone. :lol:

I'd heavily agree with that... I've owned a Bi-Phase for almost 30 years and nothing matches it. :Coolio:

jord