GUITAR PEDAL THREAD

[Cary Chilton]

I know there are a few guitarists here. This past 5+ years while living in Taiwan, I have been trying to find the best sounding pedals. My 67 plexi spec amp is back home and so I have obsessed finding the best tonal alternatives. I have tried probably every boutique brand out there. I am not a pedal maker or the most knowledgable regarding pedals by any means.

However, I have tried maybe 50-80 pedals( used, vintage or new) starting from 100 usd to 700 usd each and so I feel I have a very good idea what is out there.

I have mainly focused overdrives and distortions. I have also bought, tried and flipped lots of fuzzes, octave/pitch shifters, tremelos, delays, phasers, clean boosts, full range boosts, buffers, flangers and many other specialty pedals, delays( digital, analog, tape) and clones (average or excellent) or interesting hybrid circuits.

Whether a pedal can shine in a totally clean channel and or a dirty amp, how it records, how reacts with a solid state amp vs a Marshall or Fender or Recto, its headroom, symmetrical or assymetrical clipping, output line level, high or low impedance line out, what footprint circuit it is based off of, true bypass or not, what tube amp would it best suit or even work well with, does the pedal favor single coils or humbuckers, how well does the pedal stack with other pedals.....these are all the main questions I personally tried to answer about each pedal that I bought/tried.

So if there are questions about effect pedals: You are not sure where to start?, which clone?, sound you are wanting ( change or enhance) from your rig, I can certainly offer you my recommendation and experiences.


Cary

[Droolbucket]

... I can certainly offer you my recommendation and experiences.


Cary

I'm good, thanks!

:grin:

[Knastratt]

Koch Pedaltone. If you mean a floor board amp (pre-amp with line out).

For stomp boxes - http://www.carlmartin.com are truly great!

Also http://www.t-rex-engineering.com/ stuff are considered great.

[IntelDoc]

Jesus! Drool... Glad to see that at least your coolest of the bunch is the "Lil Smokey" up there on the top right. What is that a Marlboro pack? Mine is a Camel pack. Great lil guy.

Sweet man. Got any keeley mods in those?

Best,
Doc

[Cary Chilton]

Drool, you are insane! Your supposed narrow stuff down. Btw why so many doubles ?? I share the affinity for vintage mxr pedals and the WH-1. You need flip some doubles and standard boss and Ibanezs to add some others like:
some Teese wahs, Stage Hog, DAM, Mad Professor, BK Butler newer Tube Drive with bias, Tube Zendrive, Tim, Hartman pedals, the new Fox Rox AquaVibe,some Barber Pedals, Some Menatones, some Zvex pedals and some Royer Mayer fuzzes.

[Knastratt]

Sorry - I thought you were LOOKING for advice. Just ignore me.

[Droolbucket]

Sorry, guys, just having a little fun... those aren't mine. I found the pic somewhere on an amp website, and saved it just for occasions like this! :D

Actually, I do have an accumulation of pedals, but nothing really exotic. One oddball is the Electro Harmonix Hotfoot pedal, which is a big volume-type pedal with a flexible shaft coming out the side. The idea is to take a knob off an existing pedal, slide the flexible shaft over the pot shaft on the pedal, and use the Hotfoot to control the pot with your foot. Cool idea in theory, awkward to use in practice.

[lebouche]

I don't list my pedals on my website...
don't have the page space.
If you wanna borrow any just let me know :grin:

[Droolbucket]

LeBouche to guitar tech:
"Hey, I'm flying out at 5 am for the next leg of the tour. Could you put fresh batteries in the pedals for me?"


:lol:

[lebouche]

LeBouche to guitar tech:
"Hey, I'm flying out at 5 am for the next leg of the tour. Could you put fresh batteries in the pedals for me?"


:lol::lol:
and don't forget I'll need to be TIED UP....wait thats worse....uhhum...strapped up in my usual stage g string bungee harness in order to glide over them all gracefully.

[Tim Halligan]

:lol:
and don't forget I'll need to be mounted in my usual stage bungee harness...

Ew.

:icon_eek:

Cheers,
Tim

[otek]

Sorry, guys, just having a little fun... those aren't mine.

Damn! And I was just gonna comment on the Colorsound Supa Wah's......


.... I own two myself. :D


otek

[Kenny Gioia]

I found this recently and it kicks major ass:

http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/quality,85/brand,sameday/jeckyll-94c5a4c27157755acc627dfbe6dc5604.jpg

Finally found a pedal that gives me a little or a lot of gain but doesn't change the sound of the amp. Not at all.

It's like adding a gain stage to any of your amps.

Goodbye Dual Rectifier. My Marshall can take it from here.

Highly recommended.

[Jasco]

So if there are questions about effect pedals: You are not sure where to start?, which clone?, sound you are wanting ( change or enhance) from your rig, I can certainly offer you my recommendation and experiences.


Cary

What pedal will make me play better? :lol:


By the way, anyone seen the documentary about pedals called "Fuzz"? It's hilarious.

[Jasco]

Finally found a pedal that gives me a little or a lot of gain but doesn't change the sound of the amp. Not at all.



The old "transparency" bullshit, eh? :lol:

So you're telling me that the added gain doesn't change the sound of the amp?

Would you mind posting a sound clip A/B-ing that pedal on and off? If it doesn't change the sound of your amp, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference if it's engaged or not, right?

The whole reason you get pedals is to CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR AMP.

[Zoesch]

The old "transparency" bullshit, eh? :lol:

So you're telling me that the added gain doesn't change the sound of the amp?

Would you mind posting a sound clip A/B-ing that pedal on and off? If it doesn't change the sound of your amp, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference if it's engaged or not, right?

The whole reason you get pedals is to CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR AMP.

You can actually make something louder without changing its frequency/time content, thereby not changing the sound of the amp.

[Cary Chilton]

The old "transparency" bullshit, eh? :lol:

So you're telling me that the added gain doesn't change the sound of the amp?

Would you mind posting a sound clip A/B-ing that pedal on and off? If it doesn't change the sound of your amp, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference if it's engaged or not, right?

The whole reason you get pedals is to CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR AMP.

Most of the Transparency talk is shit, true. However,there are some overdrive pedals that can work quite seamless with certain amps. That's right, OD not a boost pedal. For instance, a TIM pedal into a Marshall, symmetrical clipping ( can be ordered with assymetrical toggle switches added as mine has), tons of headroom, huge amount of line level (35-40db?) to kick any Marshall in the nut sack. The Tims full sized pots and design, the drive can be add so gradually as to find the perfect setting. The TIM's has an unsoldered IC socket, so you can experiment with most IC's except for say a LM308 (rat pedal) which has a different number of pins. The TIM has an F/X loop with the idea of using an EQ you needed more tonal options. Last, the TIM has a bass shelf EQ, with a reverse engineer pots which basically allows you all the original fullness,bass of you would have from your amp in bypass.

Of course there are many more pedals, all best for certain amps, pickups etc, but the TIM well made and versatile enough that most owners use it with a Fender amp, thought the maker made it specifically for 70's JMP Marshall. For 150 bucks, all hand made, you can't go wrong.

[Kenny Gioia]

The old "transparency" bullshit, eh? :lol:

So you're telling me that the added gain doesn't change the sound of the amp?

Would you mind posting a sound clip A/B-ing that pedal on and off? If it doesn't change the sound of your amp, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference if it's engaged or not, right?

The whole reason you get pedals is to CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR AMP.

You're kidding. Right?

Of course it changes the sound.

But not the tone or timbre. It just gets more distorted and has more sustain.

Most pedals have their own sound. This one doesn't.

You'd plug those others into your amp and your amp would sound like the pedal. Not the amp.

This one sounds like the amp. Not the pedal.

If this is unclear, then you've never used a pedal before.

[Calvin]

The old "transparency" bullshit, eh? :lol:

So you're telling me that the added gain doesn't change the sound of the amp?

Would you mind posting a sound clip A/B-ing that pedal on and off? If it doesn't change the sound of your amp, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference if it's engaged or not, right?

The whole reason you get pedals is to CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR AMP.

Good grief. It must be deliberate. You can't possibly not understand what Kenny's saying. As a user of many fine amplifiers, and some not-so-fine pedals (some good ones, too), I know exactly what Kenny's talking about, and I bet you do, too. I'll happily take Kenny's recommendation to try the Jekyll and Hyde. I like the idea of an OD and a distortion in the same box, anyway. Reasonable cost, too.

[bbkong]

There's only one pedal anyone ever really needs.

[Calvin]

You'd plug those others into your amp and your amp would sound like the pedal. Not the amp.



Exactly.

[Goes211]

Matchless Hotbox and Matchless Dirtbox.

Transparency ? Mwa ha ha ha. :Twisted:

[Knastratt]

There's only one pedal anyone ever really needs.

I'd love one of those. I bet they cost some.:lol:

[Jasco]

You can actually make something louder without changing its frequency/time content, thereby not changing the sound of the amp.

Yes.

But we're talking about a distortion pedal here, not a clean boost pedal. Distortion pedals, by their nature, add distortion, and hence change the sound.

And, the way most people use clean boosts on guitar is to bang the front end of their amp harder to distort it, thus changing the sound.

Suppose you ran vocals or drums through this pedal. Would you say "hey, it doesn't change the sound of the vocals or drums"? Of course not.

[Jasco]

You're kidding. Right?

Of course it changes the sound.

But not the tone or timbre. It just gets more distorted and has more sustain.

Most pedals have their own sound. This one doesn't.

You'd plug those others into your amp and your amp would sound like the pedal. Not the amp.

This one sounds like the amp. Not the pedal.

If this is unclear, then you've never used a pedal before.


Ok, I'm glad you admit it changes the sound.

I do understand that some pedals 'appear' to allow more of one's guitar or amps character to be preserved, while other pedals appear to impose more of their own will upon one's sound.

I would just think that someone of your skill level in the recording field would be more accurate or articulate in describing the effects of a sound altering tool.

Another part of your original post I don't buy is that now with this pedal you said you don't need your Boogie, but instead your Marshall would work now. If the pedal doesn't change the sound of your amp, why would you then be able to change amps? A Boogie still sounds like a Boogie. A Marshall still sounds like a Marshall. Right? If I want the sound of either amp, I'd still need to use that particular amp.

[otek]

Suppose you ran vocals or drums through this pedal. Would you say "hey, it doesn't change the sound of the vocals or drums"? Of course not.

I think it's a little bit different to talk about a mic-collected signal fed at line level into a pedal than a guitar signal with magnetic pickups. What Kenny meant was that the character doesn't change in any major way. I also believe the J&H pedal does something that approximates a clean boost.

Visual Sound also make amps, designed to provide only one channel of tube amp with as little coloration as possible. Jazz cats love them, because you can amplify your D'Angelico or whatever and get a very flat signal right off the bat.


otek

[Jasco]

I think it's a little bit different to talk about a mic-collected signal fed at line level into a pedal than a guitar signal with magnetic pickups. What Kenny meant was that the character doesn't change in any major way.

otek

OK Otek. Say I come in the gear forum and start spouting off about some piece of recording gear that doesn't change the sound of a signal at all.

You all are going to call bullshit and bust my balls over it. Right?

Why should it be any different when speaking about a piece of guitar gear? For some reason, in the guitar world many normally sane intelligent people make all kind of BS voodoo-like claims about guitar gear. Buzz-words like "transparency" lose their meaning through inaccurate use.

If a piece of gear truly doesn't change the sound, then just save your money, don't buy or use it, and your sound still remains unchanged.

Saying things like "this pedal doesn't have it's own sound" is BS. What if I said some compressor doesn't have its own sound, or some mic-pre doesn't have its own sound, or so forth? Every piece of gear has its own sound. Isn't that why you buy a piece of gear in the first place - because you like its sound?

[Trazan]

FiJasco, if someone said the food tastes like shit...do you think they mean it actually tastes like jobbies?

Kenny says it just sounds like you push the amp harder, meaning the pedal doesn't alter the frequency content. I'm sure 95% of dirt pedals does exactly this; chop off or add bottom/top/mids...whether you want it or not.

[Calvin]

I would just think that someone of your skill level in the recording field would be more accurate or articulate in describing the effects of a sound altering tool.

And I would think that anyone with half a brain could easily understand the point Kenny was making. I bet you're the only one who read that post that was confused by it. But I don't really think you were confused - you just wanted to take your shots.

Another part of your original post I don't buy is that now with this pedal you said you don't need your Boogie, but instead your Marshall would work now. If the pedal doesn't change the sound of your amp, why would you then be able to change amps? A Boogie still sounds like a Boogie. A Marshall still sounds like a Marshall. Right? If I want the sound of either amp, I'd still need to use that particular amp.

Wow, maybe you are a little slow upstairs. Allow me to explain the bit about the Mesa and the Marshall. Kenny didn't want a dual-rec sound. He wanted a Marshall sound, but needed a higher-gain version for what he was hearing. He wasn't able to get there to his satisfaction until he tried the J&H. The Mesa was never his first choice. It was what got him the closest to the sound he wanted with the tools then available to him, but it never got him all the way there. Now, with the Marshall and the J&H, he's able to get all the way to where he wanted to be in the first place. This is all very easily understood by even a quick read of his post. You either pretend to not understand so that you can force an argument, or you're an idiot.

Whatever. And, I know Kenny is waaay more than capable of defending himself here, but I had a few spare moments to kill, so there it is. Enjoy your day.

[Calvin]

OK Otek. Say I come in the gear forum and start spouting off about some piece of recording gear that doesn't change the sound of a signal at all.

You all are going to call bullshit and bust my balls over it. Right?

Why should it be any different when speaking about a piece of guitar gear? For some reason, in the guitar world many normally sane intelligent people make all kind of BS voodoo-like claims about guitar gear. Buzz-words like "transparency" lose their meaning through inaccurate use.

If a piece of gear truly doesn't change the sound, then just save your money, don't buy or use it, and your sound still remains unchanged.

Saying things like "this pedal doesn't have it's own sound" is BS. What if I said some compressor doesn't have its own sound, or some mic-pre doesn't have its own sound, or so forth? Every piece of gear has its own sound. Isn't that why you buy a piece of gear in the first place - because you like its sound?

Context. We're talking about a guitar pedal capable of high-gain, distorted sounds. This is not in dispute. Kenny never suggested the pedal did not do what it purports to do, which to overdrive and/or distort. Because we all understand what an overdrive and/or distortion pedal does, when Kenny says it doesn't change the sound of the amp, we all know what he means. Nothing misleading in the slightest.

[Droolbucket]

Okay, gents, in an effort to get back to the original intent of this thread (I feel guilty since I hijacked it first), here are a couple of questions...
Two sounds I've never been able to get to my satisfaction with pedals:
First, that almost-dirty tube amp sound... not distorted, but harmonically rich and slightly compressed. Lots of pedals do that flat-out crunch thing well, but that right-on-the-verge sound is where most pedals, and most modelling amps, fall short.
Second.. still looking for that fantastic Leslie sound, complete with the speed ramp. Using a DLS Roto-Sim currently, but wondering if there's something out there that's a little better...
I usually play single coils through a clean tube amp.

Ready? GO!

[Jasco]

FiJasco, if someone said the food tastes like shit...do you think they mean it actually tastes like jobbies?

Kenny says it just sounds like you push the amp harder, meaning the pedal doesn't alter the frequency content. I'm sure 95% of dirt pedals does exactly this; chop off or add bottom/top/mids...whether you want it or not.

Yes, I understand what Kenny meant.

What I find humorous is the double standard that people apply to guitar gear vs. recording gear when describing it.

A while back in another forum (Womb university, I think) someone claimed that using an EQ plug before or after a reverb plug sounded the same. Most everyone called bullshit on him, until he did a phase reverse test and the sounds nulled out, proving the lynch mob incorrect.

This claim of 'sounding the same' was on a much more subtle sonic distinction than a guitar distortion pedal. So I find it humorous that such a different set of standards apply to recording vs guitar gear from the same set of users.



I'd also like to add that, in my opinion, the feeling of 'transparency' from a piece of guitar gear not only has to do with its effect on the frequency content, but also how it handles the pick attack and the next millisecond or two. Devices that get the 'transparency' buzzword attached to them usually allow the player to feel that the sound of his pick attack is quite similar to what it is when he feels when playing with his guitar plugged straight into the amp.

[Jasco]

Allow me to explain the bit about the Mesa and the Marshall. Kenny didn't want a dual-rec sound. He wanted a Marshall sound, but needed a higher-gain version for what he was hearing. He wasn't able to get there to his satisfaction until he tried the J&H. The Mesa was never his first choice. It was what got him the closest to the sound he wanted with the tools then available to him, but it never got him all the way there. Now, with the Marshall and the J&H, he's able to get all the way to where he wanted to be in the first place. This is all very easily understood by even a quick read of his post.



Durh.... reeeelly?




...you're an idiot.



Ah. Resorting to name calling so early in the debate. That sort of strategy really helps to validate your points. :grin:

[Droolbucket]

I'd also like to add that, in my opinion, the feeling of 'transparency' from a piece of guitar gear not only has to do with its effect on the frequency content, but also how it handles the pick attack and the next millisecond or two.

BINGO!

[Knastratt]

Yes, I understand what Kenny meant.

So you get it, well that's great.

What I find humorous is the double standard that people apply to guitar gear vs. recording gear when describing it.

So you don't get it after all. This is just fucking for virginity. Lose it.

Cheers - Pär

[Jasco]

So Par, you think that discussion about guitar gear doesn't suffer from the abuse of inaccurate buzz words?

[Cary Chilton]

Yes, I understand what Kenny meant.

What I find humorous is the double standard that people apply to guitar gear vs. recording gear when describing it.

A while back in another forum (Womb university, I think) someone claimed that using an EQ plug before or after a reverb plug sounded the same. Most everyone called bullshit on him, until he did a phase reverse test and the sounds nulled out, proving the lynch mob incorrect.

This claim of 'sounding the same' was on a much more subtle sonic distinction than a guitar distortion pedal. So I find it humorous that such a different set of standards apply to recording vs guitar gear from the same set of users.



I'd also like to add that, in my opinion, the feeling of 'transparency' from a piece of guitar gear not only has to do with its effect on the frequency content, but also how it handles the pick attack and the next millisecond or two. Devices that get the 'transparency' buzzword attached to them usually allow the player to feel that the sound of his pick attack is quite similar to what it is when he feels when playing with his guitar plugged straight into the amp.

Ok, lets let them wax over semantics ... ;)
I would probably need to know what amp your using, what volume your play at and how you set amp's EQ.
As a stab, I would say Abunai 2 ( ToneFreak.com) set middle, Led clipping, lower drive 10 o'clock, high output 2-3 o clock, tone at 10 c'clock. If you need a slight amount of sustain, use a tone press ( all amp friendly and with a parallel compression control).

[Knastratt]

I don't see it that way at all. In my world you misunderstood, fucked up and are desperately trying to save your ass.

Put it this way: the rest of us got the sentiment without having to ask Kenny. You obviously didn't.

Which leads me to an old story where a li'l ol'lady from Hamburg is travelling at nominal speed along the autobahn towards Ulm when suddenly a brief newsflash interrupts the three hour yodel special from Bayern stating that a car is travelling on the wrong side of the autobahn causing the li'l ol'lady to yell out: "One of them - I think EVERYFUCKING ONE of them is travelling on the wrong side".

Ahem. Whatever.

[Jasco]

I don't see it that way at all. In my world you misunderstood, fucked up and are desperately trying to save your ass.



Ha, what am I trying to save my ass from.

And how did I fuck up? Kenny even posted in agreement with me that the pedal does "change the sound."

So to spell it out clearly for you, since you seem to misunderstand: I understand what Kenny was trying to say in his original post. My point was, that someone who is a talented audio engineer like Kenny might be a little more accurate and articulate when describing a sound shaping tool. His original description sounded to me like an ad with pedal buzz-words aimed at 17 year olds on Harmony-Central. And I know he can do much better than that.

It was not any big deal until folks like you jump on the bandwagon to make it one.

[Knastratt]

Don't feed the trolls. End.

[Jasco]

Just as I figured, you don't have anything useful to add to this conversation.

[Calvin]

Durh.... reeeelly?

Hey, you're the one who didn't "buy" Kenny's point about losing the Mesa in favor of the Marshall, so I explained in to you.


Ah. Resorting to name calling so early in the debate. That sort of strategy really helps to validate your points. :grin:

You very conveniently left out the "or" part of that "idiot" quote.

The bottom line is that even you say that you understood perfectly well what Kenny was saying, so how could what he said have been so inaccurate? Again, context. We all knew we were talking about a DISTORTION and OVERDRIVE pedal, which means that NONE of us took Kenny as literally as you did when he said that the pedal doesn't change the sound of the amp.

Also, may I remind you that you're the one that first brought up the term "transparency", not Kenny. Again, it seems that you didn't understand Kenny's point. If you did, then you had no business attributing the "transparent" nonsense to him.

[otek]

Okay, gents, in an effort to get back to the original intent of this thread....

Let's.

Two sounds I've never been able to get to my satisfaction with pedals:

First, that almost-dirty tube amp sound...

This is one thing I found pedals never do quite right. Which is why, for that sound, I almost never use one. :D

The only disclaimer would be that I sometimes use a custom built booster to add clean gain to the guitar signal. It's similar to the TC Electronic preamp, but also has a variable impedance control. A few dB of boost on this one, and the amp goes from clean to a soft breakup. Hitting the input stage harder for this type of sound works better than adding preamp gain IMHO.

It should also be said that this type of sound is entirely dependent on player dynamics. If you have your gain set right on the cusp, you can control the ratio of "breakage" by simply playing softer or harder.

Second.. still looking for that fantastic Leslie sound, complete with the speed ramp.

Another tough one. If you want realistic Leslie, use a Leslie. If you want interesting (see my sig line :D ) roto-type sounds, I simply love the Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe. It does all sorts of cool, asymmetrical sweeps, chorus, vibrato and rotovibe, and has an S/N ratio of about 120 dB. It has so much headroom it actually works as a clean boost of sorts.


otek

[Jasco]

Good grief Calvin.

How many times do I have to reitteritate this point to you and others:

I thought Kenny could have used more articulate and accurate terms to describe the pedal. That's all.



"Doesn't change the sound of the amp (or guitar)" and "transparent" are abused synonyms in the guitar pedal world.

Or, may I ask, what term besides "transparent" you might use to sum up "doesn't change the sound of the amp". Opaque? Colored? Muddy? Flat? Bright? Dull? Invisible?

I think 'transparent' sums it up pretty well.

And I still think statements about pedals not affecting the sound are inaccurate, and hence not very useful or educational. All pedals change your sound. Some in good ways, some in bad ways. Which of course is subjective to the style you're playing and the sound you're after.

[Calvin]

Let's.



This is one thing I found pedals never do quite right. Which is why, for that sound, I almost never use one. :D

The only disclaimer would be that I sometimes use a custom built booster to add clean gain to the guitar signal. It's similar to the TC Electronic preamp, but also has a variable impedance control. A few dB of boost on this one, and the amp goes from clean to a soft breakup. Hitting the input stage harder for this type of sound works better than adding preamp gain IMHO.

It should also be said that this type of sound is entirely dependent on player dynamics. If you have your gain set right on the cusp, you can control the ratio of "breakage" by simply playing softer or harder.



There seem to be a number of high-quality boost units out there these days built for this very purpose. I have a Divided by 13 Switchazel that has a built-in boost that I like a lot. I also have a zvex super hard-on that sounds real good, too, although it does have a bit of something extra on the top end that sometimes is great and other times isn't quite what I want. I imagine that the input impedances of these different units has a lot to do with the resulting differences in sound, so I can see where a variable input impedance would be a real nice feature.

[billy_gimp]

Good grief Calvin.

:lol: :Thumbsup:

[Kenny Gioia]

Suppose you ran vocals or drums through this pedal. Would you say "hey, it doesn't change the sound of the vocals or drums"? Of course not.

Pedals tend to restrict certain frequencies. That would be much more noticeable on vocals or drums.

Ok, I'm glad you admit it changes the sound.

I would just think that someone of your skill level in the recording field would be more accurate or articulate in describing the effects of a sound altering tool.



Don't let the Video Tutorials fool you. I am anything but articulate. :lol:


Allow me to explain the bit about the Mesa and the Marshall. Kenny didn't want a dual-rec sound. He wanted a Marshall sound, but needed a higher-gain version for what he was hearing. He wasn't able to get there to his satisfaction until he tried the J&H. The Mesa was never his first choice. It was what got him the closest to the sound he wanted with the tools then available to him, but it never got him all the way there. Now, with the Marshall and the J&H, he's able to get all the way to where he wanted to be in the first place. This is all very easily understood by even a quick read of his post.

And, I know Kenny is waaay more than capable of defending himself here, but I had a few spare moments to kill, so there it is. Enjoy your day.

Exactly. Thanks for my time saved.



Which leads me to an old story where a li'l ol'lady from Hamburg is travelling at nominal speed along the autobahn towards Ulm when suddenly a brief newsflash interrupts the three hour yodel special from Bayern stating that a car is travelling on the wrong side of the autobahn causing the li'l ol'lady to yell out: "One of them - I think EVERYFUCKING ONE of them is travelling on the wrong side".



I'm starting to think that that lady is indeed the one going the wrong way!!!!

For the record, I'm using a Gibson SG into a Marshall JMP.

Haven't tried other amps with it yet.

[IntelDoc]

This is it.... Slap this thing with a new 9 volt into the chain of your marshall clean channel and stand back.

Used it this weekend with a 65 bassman head. KILLER

http://www.firebox.com/pic/p5b.jpg

http://www.firebox.com/product/5/Smokey-Amp#yourphotos

Doc

[Droolbucket]

Plus, I can tape it to the ceiling fan for that Leslie sound!
:lol:

[Knastratt]

I'm starting to think that that lady is indeed the one going the wrong way!!!!

I have nothing further to add, Your Honor. :lol:

[otek]

Divided by 13 Switchazel

zvex super hard-on

One thing you've gotta hand to the boutique companies, they really do have pretty inventive naming conventions. :D

(a personal fave is the Way Huge Swollen Pickle Jumbo Fuzz.)


otek

[otek]

For the record, I'm using a Gibson SG into a Marshall JMP.

A righteous combination indeed.


otek

[Knastratt]

(a personal fave is the Way Huge Swollen Pickle Jumbo Fuzz.)


otek

I thought you were kidding.

http://filters.muziq.be/model/wayhuge/swollenpickle

:lol:

[Kenny Gioia]

Plus, I can tape it to the ceiling fan for that Leslie sound!
:lol:

That sounded like a great idea until I realized you have to plug the guitar in.

[Knastratt]

That sounded like a great idea until I realized you have to plug the guitar in.

I've heard the opposite. AEs swinging a microphone between two cabinets with interesting results.

[billy_gimp]

Hmmm...

1 contact mic on a pane of glass, running through a line variously assorted pedals into a P.A...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNVpS7DLOXA

one of the loudest performers I've ever had the *cough* erm privallege to "mix"?/turn down back in the day when the circus came through town and I jumped on the noise band wagon.

Oh I also saw this dude last weekend... he (aka Defectro) uses his homemade pedals, and I noticed that everything sounded a tad nicer with my fingers in my ears... but don't get me wrong, I did enjoy it. Oh i love how sometimes the Japanese have it all so wrong lol.

http://lalweb.com/store-e.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3MX1aPFIEc

http://lalweb.com/88/88photo/88-1.jpg
http://lalweb.com/dv/dvphoto/dv-1.jpg

[Calvin]

Just about the opposite of what Kenny was recommending:

http://www.pedalspluseffectswarehouse.com/v/vspfiles/photos/DNA-GNFXXER-2T.jpg


Brutal (in a good way - mostly). Definitely NOT transparent. WILL CHANGE YOUR SOUND. Just wanted to be clear on that.

[Jasco]

Second.. still looking for that fantastic Leslie sound, complete with the speed ramp.

I've never found a pedal that can really simulate a leslie. As Otek mentioned, some of the uni-vibe clones are cool and impart a similar vibe sometimes.

Some guys from Digitech showed me the Leslie simulator in one of their new multi-effects units a few weeks ago (I can't remember the model number of the unit.) It had a pretty cool fast-slow switch that gradually ramped up or down similar to a real leslie. But the whole sound left a bit to be desired, to my ears. Plus I'm not really a fan of guitar multi-effects units. (Or digitech, for that matter.)

I did just get a pair of Leslies with blown amps but working rotors for $100 each though, so hopefully soon I can get those fully functional.

[Jasco]

If you want interesting (see my sig line :D ) roto-type sounds, I simply love the Roger Mayer Voodoo Vibe. It does all sorts of cool, asymmetrical sweeps, chorus, vibrato and rotovibe, and has an S/N ratio of about 120 dB. It has so much headroom it actually works as a clean boost of sorts.


otek


Have you compared this to other univibe-type pedals? If so, I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the comparison.

[otek]

Have you compared this to other univibe-type pedals? If so, I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the comparison.

In terms of sound, noise specs, and features, nothing else I've tried even comes close.

It's a pricey little bastard, but worth it IMHO if you are using chorus, tremolo or vibe-type sounds.

It should be added that the chorus sound is nothing like the slick and sometimes a bit plastic-sounding dedicated chorus units. It's a unique flavor.

http://www.roger-mayer.co.uk/pictures/vibe+_400.gif


otek

[lebouche]

Can we change the name of this to 'Pedal Porn' or maybe shorten it to 'My Ped Porn' by Cary Chiltern...:Uh oh:

[Droolbucket]

Can we change the name of this to 'Pedal Porn' or maybe shorten it to 'My Ped Porn' by Cary Chiltern...:Uh oh:

NO. Because I can see myself, years from now, wanting to review this thread, and Googling 'My Ped Porn'.
Droolbucket, in chains, surrounded by FBI agents:
"Honest, your Honor, I was just researching the Way Huge Swollen Pickle and the Big Muff Pi! Hey, wait... don't taze me, bro!"

[Cary Chilton]

THe roger voodoo vibe is great, but damn pricy. I favor the Aquavibe by foxrox.... check it out,

[seagate]

Okay, gents, in an effort to get back to the original intent of this thread (I feel guilty since I hijacked it first), here are a couple of questions...
Two sounds I've never been able to get to my satisfaction with pedals:
First, that almost-dirty tube amp sound... not distorted, but harmonically rich and slightly compressed.

This one will do the job...

http://miaudio.com/BBD1.htm

or this one:

http://miaudio.com/BP3.htm

I have the old version Blue Boy...

[Unfcknblvbl]

still looking for that fantastic Leslie sound

I've not tried it but Joe Walsh uses the Option 5 Destination Rotation Single (http://www.option5-online.com/option5.html).

.
.

[G. Hoffman]

All these pedals. I don't know. I just got finished rewiring my 18 Watt (yeah, the one from that thread over at the old place - sorry, no pictures this time) to use the second half of the first tube as a switchable boost stage into the other two channels. I no long have any need for an "Overdrive" pedal (which, to be honest, always sucked). Now if only I could get rid of the bloody delay pedal, I would be back to a straght to the amp signal chain (the Wha is a true bypass, so it doesn't count).

By the by, I've gone back to this thing after using the AC30 for a while, and this thing really rocks. It might be a little quite for a bigger room, but the tone is perfect in every way, at least to my mind. And kick in that boost, and stand back. Just don't turn it up too loud, cause that first tube goes microphonic once the boost circuit gets past 6. But right before that, it has that perfect barely controllable tube amp sound. Wooo whoooo!!!!!


DEATH TO PEDALS!!!! TONE COMES FROM AMPS!!!!!!!!! :Coolio: :Coolio: :Coolio: :doubledeuce: :doubledeuce: :doubledeuce: :very happy: :very happy: :very happy: :Roll eyes: :Roll eyes: :Roll eyes:


Gabriel

[gitarted]

Ya gotta love listenning to a bunch of guitar players argue :lol:

I can't give an opinion on the leslie sound, or about all these boo-tique pedals.

I own two amps a Soldano SLO100, and a 79 Marshall JMP 100w.

I own a few really old pedals, nothing fancy.

I'd say most of the sound comes from how you play, the attack of the pick...how you hold your chin :lol:

of course, having great sounding amps doesn't hurt :D


there's too many variables to consider...

what amp? Guitar? P/U's, speakers...the fucking picks you use make a huge difference...the gauge of strings...barometric pressure...day of the week...clean underwear...no underwear :lol:

[seagate]

I'd say most of the sound comes from how you play, the attack of the pick...how you hold your chin :lol:

I win I win...

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/frech/a036.gif

I have a vintage double chin!!!

[Tim Halligan]

I win I win...

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/frech/a036.gif

I have a vintage double chin!!!

Nope.

Mine's more vintage than yours.

:lol:

Cheers,
Tim

[seagate]

Nope.

Mine's more vintage than yours.

Maybe so, but mine is the year they finally figured out how to make them properly...

:fingerlefty:

[MacGregor]

...no underware :lol:

You sound different without wearing underwear and if so does it sound better or worse?


Mac
.

[Droolbucket]

DEATH TO PEDALS!!!! TONE COMES FROM AMPS!!!!!!!!! :

Gabriel

Gabe, I agree. Nothing sounds like a cranked tube amp.
However, I'm a gigging musician, and the size of the venues varies wildly from gig to gig. From big outdoor festivals to little coffee house gigs, I need to have a consistent tone.
I used to bring along whatever size amp I thought I'd need, but invariably guess wrong. What works best for me is a good clean tube amp and a pedal board. It may not be studio quality tone, but I know exactly what I'm going to get when I step on a pedal.
When I'm out in the music room, I love to plug straight in to an old tube amp and crank it up to the sweet spot, but that's a very rare thing for me in a live situation.
I'm keeping my eye out for the next generation of modelling amps, to see if the positives outweigh the negatives. So far, they haven't.

[dikledoux]

First, that almost-dirty tube amp sound... not distorted, but harmonically rich and slightly compressed.
I like the Jekyll and Hyde for just that. The left side with the gain all the way down and the volume boosted just a bit. Gives the guitar a bit more mid-range "throat" and is compressed just a bit. It's supposed to be similar to the Tube Screamer circuit, but I don't know if that's true or not, and I doubt that leaving the gain all the way down is what people do with a Tube Screamer under most cirmcumstances.

Worth Checking out.

Or you could try the Seymour Duncan Pickup Boost to just hit the front end of your amp harder. I use it to match levels between my Strat and my PRS.

dik

[gitarted]

You sound different without wearing underwear and if so does it sound better or worse?


Mac
.

Not better or worse, just tighter :lol:

[Knastratt]

Telecaster->barb wire->UniValve.

The ultimate solution. :Coolio:

[Slipperman]

TC Electronics Line Driver.

I've got 3.

You fuckers got none.

Suck my balls.

Greatest fucking stomp box ever.

Get over it.





















KIDDING!!!













It IS a great box for getting more dirt outta JCM800's and Bassman 50's.



I'm not too fond of most distortion boxes(even the hotshit boutique ones) for getting rhythm tones. Some are TRULY HORRIFYING. Many just suck in some less than spectacularly apparent fashion.

OTOH... Never say never, just...


NOT OFTEN.

SM.

[meLoCo_go]

Wow!!!!
We see Slippy! Posting!!!!!

[Jasco]

I like the Jekyll and Hyde for just that. The left side with the gain all the way down and the volume boosted just a bit. Gives the guitar a bit more mid-range "throat" and is compressed just a bit. It's supposed to be similar to the Tube Screamer circuit, but I don't know if that's true or not, and I doubt that leaving the gain all the way down is what people do with a Tube Screamer under most cirmcumstances.

Worth Checking out.




To my ears, the Jekyll Hyde left side sounds like a tube screamer without the drastic mid boost.

The right side has kind of a hyped high frequency thing to it I'm not too fond of.

And I like to use overdrive pedals as you described. Gain down, output level up. Kind of an almost-clean boost to bang the amp's front end a bit harder.

[hgen]

ZVex Box of Rock. Outrageously good emulation of a Marshall. It's all you need right!

[Cary Chilton]

Slippy can you post a pic or link of what this " kick your jcm800's ballsac" pedal looks like? ;)

[Tim Halligan]

Slippy can you post a pic or link of what this " kick your jcm800's ballsac" pedal looks like? ;)

Cary, the specific pedal Slippy referred to is no longer available...but if it was, it would look similar to this one:

HTTP://www.tcelectronic.com/ClassicBooster-Distortion.asp



Cheers,
Tim

[otek]

Cary, the specific pedal Slippy referred to is no longer available...

That's sorta putting it mildly. :lol:

I believe this is what Slippy has (at least this is the one people are looking out for over here):

[Immanuel]

I didn't know that one. I though this one was the one
http://guitargeek.com/gearview/231/

[otek]

I didn't know that one. I though this one was the one
http://guitargeek.com/gearview/231/

That's another great pedal, and it may actually be what Slipperman is using. I dunno, you'll have to ask him.


otek

[Calvin]

That's another great pedal, and it may actually be what Slipperman is using. I dunno, you'll have to ask him.


otek

I've personally had the pleasure of stepping inside the great Slipperman's mic locker, having been lured inside by Aardy, of all people, and I can attest to the fact that this is, indeed, the pedal to which Slippy is referring. I was sorely tempted to slip one into my jacket pocket, but didn't want to face a life of looking over my shoulder, waiting to be murdered in my sleep.

Of course, I'm just kidding about being tempted to steal stuff, but the rest of the story is true.

Hmmm, I guess I should qualify my remarks a bit. While I did indeed see this particular pedal in Slippy's locker, that doesn't mean he doesn't also have and use the pedal Otek recommends. So, yeah, I guess we'll need to ask Slippy for the definitive answer.

[G. Hoffman]

I didn't know that one. I though this one was the one
http://guitargeek.com/gearview/231/

Those things are pretty awesome, though I kind of wish I had one of the old parametric EQ pedals they made.

Not that I'd be using much these days, but once upon a time I would have. Hell, I have a hard time keeping the TC Chorus I have in the chain, which is one of the best damn pedals ever made - even if it does sound a bit like `80's pop music.


Gabriel

[otek]

though I kind of wish I had one of the old parametric EQ pedals they made.

Ahem. :Roll eyes: :Coolio:

[G. Hoffman]

Ahem. :Roll eyes: :Coolio:

Good for you.

:finger: :doubledeuce: :fingerlefty:

But like I said, I wouldn't use it much anymore. I've disconnected the tone controls in my amp, so I'm not feeling much need for EQ these days.

(He says jealously.) :Roll eyes:


Gabriel

[otek]

(He says jealously.) :Roll eyes:

:lol:

One of my fave tricks is to use the Sustain/Parametric EQ pedal, scoop it a bit and follow that with the Electro Harmonix Small Clone chorus pedal.

You get this liquid, gargly sound that I suppose many think went out with the 80's (think "Flesh For Fantasy" by Billy Idol) but I love it!!! :D


otek

[Calvin]

:lol:

One of my fave tricks is to use the Sustain/Parametric EQ pedal, scoop it a bit and follow that with the Electro Harmonix Small Clone chorus pedal.

You get this liquid, gargly sound that I suppose many think went out with the 80's (think "Flesh For Fantasy" by Billy Idol) but I love it!!! :D


otek

I had that sustain/parametric eq pedal for a long time, back in the day. I do miss it. However, I never seemed to be able to set it to just compress a little. It squashed hard all the time. Humbuckers, of course. Single coils fared better. Do you experience the same thing? I always thought maybe my unit needed to be calibrated, or something. I do remember opening up the unit and messing with a trim pot a bit to try to raise the threshold somewhat. Helped, but still real squishy.

This thread is making me nostalgic for those old tc electronic pedals. Gonna have to go an an ebay shopping spree pretty soon!

[Fulcrum]

This thread is making me nostalgic for those old tc electronic pedals. Gonna have to go an an ebay shopping spree pretty soon!

Anybody got the weblink to the company who's rebuilding the old Mu-Tron Bi-Phase? That's the one I want....

[otek]

I never seemed to be able to set it to just compress a little. It squashed hard all the time.

That's sorta weird because in my book, the TC Sustain/P.EQ is one of the more transparent guitar compressors - interestingly enough, most people aren't really looking for "transparent" from guitar compressors, they want that nuked "pedal steel" type sponginess.

I own an original MXR Dynacomp which squeezes a hell of a lot harder.

I think however, if you're using hot humbuckers, the input may be hit so hard that even mild settings yield fairly drastic compression.

Anybody got the weblink to the company who's rebuilding the old Mu-Tron Bi-Phase? That's the one I want....

I did some digging and there's a guy in France (http://m.bareille.free.fr/biphase/biphase.htm) who makes a DIY kit....

This page (http://filters.muziq.be/model/musitronics/biphase) has an assortment of links on this pedal that might come in handy....

...and the Mu-Tron page apparently has some original specimens for sale (http://www.mu-tron.org/list2.html)!

And just to get that vintage drool a-running, here's the prototype box from the dim and distant past:

http://files.muziq.be/pics/musitronics_bi-phase-proto_001.jpg


:D

otek

[Calvin]

That's sorta weird because in my book, the TC Sustain/P.EQ is one of the more transparent guitar compressors - interestingly enough, most people aren't really looking for "transparent" from guitar compressors, they want that nuked "pedal steel" type sponginess.

I own an original MXR Dynacomp which squeezes a hell of a lot harder.

I think however, if you're using hot humbuckers, the input may be hit so hard that even mild settings yield fairly drastic compression.



I'm sure you're right about the too-hot humbuckers. And yep, I was looking for more transparent. Still, I kept the TC Electronic pedal on ALL of the time because even though it was squashing more than I wanted, it still sounded great, and was an integral part of "my sound." I really am going to have to go on a shopping spree to try to recapture some of that old vibe. I'm using lower-output pickups (standard PAF type levels) these days, so maybe that old sustainer/parametric eq would be even MORE perfect.

[Cary Chilton]

This boost looks pretty promising.
http://shop.creationaudiolabs.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=5

I just picked up an Maxon SD-9 distortion. My first pedal was an Ibanez sonic distortion, so I wanted to check out the Maxon version. Well, it is much better. Much more open sound, not a lot of distortion, but definitely blends well with a dirst amp and stacks very well with other distortion/OD pedals. The maxon is true bypass and it's tone control is very tweakable -not your regular boss/ibanez, treble/bass cut style tone control. The Maxon's doesn't cut nearly as much bass as my old Ibanez and my old DS-1 did. I think I will keep it!

[Cary Chilton]

http://thewombforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5516&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1214742389

I just found this pedal on the net for a 100 bux! I can't wait to see if it lives up to hype!

[gronk]

Has anyone here tried a Hotcake?

I've heard people raving about them, and plenty of names that have them, but if SRV had one it doesn't mean he ever used it, right?

They cost $300 down here, and for that I could feed my kids for two days! Seems a lot for a little circuit in a metal box, but if it sounds as good as they say....

I'd be interested in an expert opinion that I can pass off as my own at a later date.:)

[otek]

Has anyone here tried a Hotcake?


I have one on my shelf here. :Coolio:

Courtesy of my designated Kiwi. :D

(they're made down there in Kiwistan by a guy named Paul Crowther.)

The Hot Cake does something quite unique, you can use it as a booster (though it't not completely transparent, more like a Tube Screamer), but when you turn it up you can get a variety of cool, bluesy overdrive flavors. Fed into a slightly distorted amp, it takes it over the top with an oh-my-god-my-input-stage-is-dying type energy to it.

Highly recommended.


otek

[gronk]

Thanks for the info, otek.

Sounds like I need to grab one.

Cheers!

Courtesy of my designated Kiwi. They let you keep them over there? They seem to run wild over here! :Wink:

[Cary Chilton]

gronk, check out the emporium at thegearpage.net or ebay ...you should find one for 130 usd.

I have been noodling with my TC electronic vintage Integrated Pre amp pedal - it is quite killer! It edges my vintage microamp out. It sounds best gain cranked, treble /bass on zero. It is really just pure gain, which is what tube amps need. It adds more bloom to harmonics, note clarity and some tube compression. The result seems to have more dynamics -pick attack is crazy, the compression is just enough for the "bloom" followed by a fast release. I think anyone in the audience would just think your amp naturally sounded like that, because it is very natural sounding. pluging any booteek OD afterwards sounds muddy in comparison.

Gronk, btw, I found this pedal on the emporium I mentioned above for cheap! The Hotcake is VERY tube screamer sounding with less mid hump. However, the coolest thing happened when I used my strat, and cranked the drive past 3 o 'clock: it sounded like I was playing a Marshall! That was a pleasant surprise!

Anyone try Vox's new Saturater yet?

[gilligan204]

I found this Home made dist box, kinda cute

[/URL]


Also, If anybody is interested in actually building your own pedals,
this blog has lots of good information and links

http://igblog.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/how-to-start-building-your-own-guitar-effects/


[URL="http://www.smallbearelec.com/home.html"]I found a company called http://www.smallbearelec.com/home.html (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/French+connection/P45b.jpg.html)

:Thumbsup:

That has lots of books and kits and etc.

[gilligan204]

Sorry i didnt put the link, for the first thing

http://aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/French+connection/P45b.jpg.html

http://aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/French+connection/P45b.jpg.html

[gronk]

Gronk, btw, I found this pedal on the emporium I mentioned above for cheap! The Hotcake is VERY tube screamer sounding with less mid hump. However, the coolest thing happened when I used my strat, and cranked the drive past 3 o 'clock: it sounded like I was playing a Marshall! That was a pleasant surprise!


Hey thanks Cary, it sounds like we are mostly looking for the same thing...the feel that its just you, the guitar and the amp working hard.

I'm thinkin that the Hotcake is for me :Coolio:

[Cary Chilton]

your welcome buddy!
Definitely pick up a vintage mxr micro amp and an Analogman YJM 308 with his 741 mojo mod. The mxr amp is kinda close to the vintage TC Electronic Integrated Pre amp, but adding a little highs when cranked, it is lofi sounding but great mojo. The Analogman's mod 308 has TONS of output 30db?? ( not that the mxr micro amp doesn't- maybe 25db???) The 308 starts adding flat overdrive after 12 o'clock, the 308 is about 1% stiffer feeling than the vintage microamp. Both the micro amp and modded 308 can get farty on the 6th str when using my strat on the bridge PU -IF the level is max'd. However, TC Electronic Pre amp doesn't at all. The TC with the bass/treble on zero and level cranked sounds like about 25+ db of boost.
I am really splitting hairs here, but regarding at least, I have extremely discerning ears. These boost for what your after, are your best bet.

OD wise, hotcake -ebay or tgp forums- , the flatter sounding, TIM pedal -made for seamless blending with a Marshall ,also, works great with other amps.
The Maxon OD-9 (detailed, versatile sounding TS), Maxon OOD-9 (more subtle, less output version) or the Maxon SD-9 -quite dialable distortion unit!

[otek]

Damn, had to look there for a second to make sure I was still on the right forum. :D


otek

[Cary Chilton]

Damn, had to look there for a second to make sure I was still on the right forum. :D


otek

hehe I actually know some shit about guitar and rel. gear.... :very happy:

[Cary Chilton]

Here is a pic of my pedal

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc169/carychilton/TCpreamp.jpg

[otek]

hehe I actually know some shit about guitar and rel. gear.... :very happy:

I don't doubt it, but your previous post had a decidedly slutty overtone to it. :Roll eyes:


otek

[gronk]

.... had a decidedly slutty overtone to it.


But can I get slutty overtones from a Hotcake???

[red tape]

How about delays, then?
I've got a copicat and a dd-3.
I'm looking for something that's a bit more versatile and compact than a Copicat, but a lot less boring than a DD-3

[Cary Chilton]

Pick up a TC Electronic Nova delay or the new eventide stomp delay.

I have the DD2 and the Maxon AD-999 -my fav, Boring as hell on the options, but tone tone tone! I also really dig my EP-3 and RE-201, TONE!

I don't think I could ever be bothered to use a delay with a tap/tempo feature. Fuck, EVH used his EP-3 set for a short 200-300ms single slap back delay for most recordings and esp. live JUST FINE! ;)

[G. Hoffman]

And see, I couldn't be bothered with a delay pedal which didn't have a tap tempo function. If they aren't in time, what's the point?

I've got a DD-20, which I'm very happy with. Not small, but worth it.



Gabriel

[Cary Chilton]

Well Hoff, standard delay was good enough for Ed.... I will say if someone is using so much delay as pretty much is his/ or her sound ala Edge, then yeah, tap tempo away. I agree. However, don't really delay to that degree.

[G. Hoffman]

Well Hoff, standard delay was good enough for Ed.... I will say if someone is using so much delay as pretty much is his/ or her sound ala Edge, then yeah, tap tempo away. I agree. However, don't really delay to that degree.

I don't use it that much, but when I do I want it to be in time. Mostly I just do one quarter note repeat, and that's it. When I'm using the eBow I'll put a bit of feedback on it to get a few more repeats, but that's about it.


Gabriel

[Cary Chilton]

Sounds like your doing the same as me. I generally play music around 100-140 bpm so it is relatively easy to intuitively find the right tempo'd quarter note with a quick tweak. If I am out a few ms, I really don't care.

[Knastratt]

I'm a sucker for 3/4 ping-pong.

[G. Hoffman]

If I am out a few ms, I really don't care.


It bugs the crap out of me. But to each their own, right? Frankly, I wish I could get rid of it. Then, I'd be able to go with nothing but a volume pedal between my guitar and amp. (I got rid of the overdrive and boost pedals by using an unused half of a 12ax7 to build it into the amp, and the trem in my amp is swirly enough that I don't need the TC Electronic Chorus anymore. One of these days I'll get around to making a Leslie, and then I REALLY won't need the chorus anymore.)


Gabriel