Why use Logic as opposed to others?

[HalfBlood]

I was having a fiddle with it today. I usually use Cubase and Pro Tools which are programs I really like, each one for a different reason.

I opened up Logic and after a half hour of fiddiling was completely frustrated.. its not intuitable at all. I couldn't get a fucking thing to happen. So, I'm off to read the manual now, to see if it's worth considering.

But I ask you all: what could be the main reasons for using Logic as opposed to other programs? What are its strong points?

[RWC]

I thought the same about nuendo when I used it.

You can't even do sidechaining in Nuendo 3 without doing weird routing shit with waves plugs.. and if you don't have them, then you can't do sidechaining.

You can do a full record with stock plugs in logic easily, it comes with a better and more complete plugin package IMO than any other piece of software. the synth and sample library for $500 is crazy.

I don't use that stuff at all for myself but when other people want birds in the background or some 40 year old keyboard sound and all I have is a MIDI controller and a drumkit, it comes in very handy.

space designer alone is worth the cost of the software. d-verb or cubase's room plugins vs space designer? no comparison! even if I did use PT I'd keep logic around to print reverb.

there are some things about logic that tick me off. the quick swipe comping bugs when it initially came out ruined my life to an extent. what is it that is messing you up? maybe we know a workaround or solution. :)

[HalfBlood]

No it's just initially frustrating because nothing does what you would expect it to.

However, what you say about plugins was kind of what I reckoned. Would you say they stand up to the quality of, say Waves or IKMultimedia plugs?

Problem is I'd be using Logic 5.5 as I haven't got a Mac (and don't want one either!:grin: )

[RWC]

I've only used logic since 7 and now use 8. I have no idea what 5.5 has.

Maybe 5.5 was way worse than 7 or 8? Things in 8 do what I expect them to do. Can you give an example?

[Tim Halligan]

I don't use Logic, but almost every composer for TV that I've had to deal with in the last 5 years has used Logic for everything.

Make of that what you will...


Cheers,
Tim

[HalfBlood]

Well that definitely means the Verb is good :very happy:

Logic hasn't basically changed much since 5.5 from what I've read.. not structurally I would think at least. I can't really explain the problems I had because the explanation would be endless, boring and useless, as I can just read the manual.

I'm used to understanding how stuff works just by fiddling. With Logic, if you've never used it, you have to read at least the getting started part or you get nowhere. That's all, but it's no big deal in my life, just felt like cursing it yesterday.

[chckn8r]

I had the same issue regarding getting things working with Logic when switching over from Sonar. It's not incredibly intuitive in some ways, but it's got it's own system and once you get into it, especially with the key short-cuts, it's pretty damn powerful.

As for the composer thing - Tim's right, although old schoolers still use DP, Logic seems to be the choice for scoring audio to film. For me, it's the the ease in which you can patch in soft-synths and such that makes the whole workflow click. Plus, it's got quite an efficient plug-in engine to boot.

[Tommy Fobia]

I use both PT and L8 regularly - although I tend to lean toward the logic side of things nowadays.

I love the comprehensive range of stock plugs, the ability to freeze tracks on CPU intensive mixes and of course, the inbuilt ADC. The ADC alone has eased a few major headaches.

As with anything, YMMV.

:)


Oh yeah and... OFFLINE BOUNCE! :D

[beyondish]

Real men (and women) use Logic. Others use Nuendo or Cubase. As for Pro tools users, I'm not entirely sure what they are but not as cool as Logic users.

[otek]

No it's just initially frustrating because nothing does what you would expect it to.

It's funny, because my initial reaction when I began using Logic about 6 years ago was exactly the opposite (I came from Cubase).

Would you say they stand up to the quality of, say Waves or IKMultimedia plugs?


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But then that can be said for most DAWs, and I can't think of another DAW with, for example, better reverb or a more versatile plugin package.

Logic hasn't basically changed much since 5.5 from what I've read.. not structurally I would think at least.

I'd say that's pretty far from the truth, not to mention unfair. I'd say it has changed at least as much as anything else, perhaps with the exception of Sonar. If you want to compare Logic to anything, you should compare it to the other DAWs as they were 5 years ago - not to their current incarnations.

Anyways.... If you're not considering a Mac, I'd start thinking about another DAW regardless, since Logic for PC is sort of a dead end, and seriously outdated (in fact, much of the good stuff people are talking about in Logic wasn't there yet in 5.5).


otek

[tannoy]

Real men (and women) use Logic. Others use Nuendo or Cubase. As for Pro tools users, I'm not entirely sure what they are but not as cool as Logic users.

I doubt that your cock is longer than mine.

:grin:

[HalfBlood]

I'd say that's pretty far from the truth, not to mention unfair. I'd say it has changed at least as much as anything else, perhaps with the exception of Sonar. If you want to compare Logic to anything, you should compare it to the other DAWs as they were 5 years ago - not to their current incarnations.



No, that wasn't the tree I was barking up. What I meant is that all the improvements I imagine it to have had since 5.5 are not thorough changes in the graphic user interface, so in reference to what RCW had said, it's not that 5.5 was particularly horrible, just the type of interface was not compatible with my brain setup.

As for DAWs, working in collaborations a lot, I would kind of like to master the main ones as a lot of people already have their own setup.

[HalfBlood]

By the way, how's it for editing? I remember seeing some things being done that I've never found in Pro Tools or Cubase..

[otek]

What I meant is that all the improvements I imagine it to have had since 5.5 are not thorough changes in the graphic user interface

That's probably true at least in part. But it's equally true of virtually any DAW, save for those that have come out in entirely new incarnations such as Cubase (SX) and Sonar.

But we are still talking pretty major changes. The arrange window has sample accuracy and a much more logical connection to the environment, the audio bin has tons more functionality, there's the project manager, more ability to manage channel strips, a vast expansion of the plugin library and the ability to import and export files, just to mention a few. That's why I am saying Logic 5.5 is probably not the wisest choice for PC, as it is completely obsolete by now. Better in that case to go with one of the good PC platforms such as Samplitude or Nuendo.

By the way, how's it for editing? I remember seeing some things being done that I've never found in Pro Tools or Cubase..

I think most of what you can do in Logic is doable in Pro Tools or Cubase. I don't have enough chops on either of those platforms to be very fast on them, but most of the stuff I do routinely on Logic has some kind of PT or SX counterpart.

I like the fact (somewhat reduced in Logic 8 ) that you can set up whatever key commands you like for most advanced functions. This makes editing pretty quick.


otek

[beyondish]

I doubt that your cock is longer than mine.

:grin:

Not if yours has'nt shrunk since are last session, remember? :lol:

[jord]

What I meant is that all the improvements I imagine it to have had since 5.5 are not thorough changes in the graphic user interface

Considering that Apple has been reshaping Logic in its own image, your statement is untrue. While some don't like the all in one window, I find it liveable and workable. I do save my own screensets, however.

Not to mention that, as otek briefly touched on, the Arrange/Mixer have more functionality on them that requires less Environment knowledge (such as creating multi-aux channels for VI's).

jord

[HalfBlood]

So the system has completely changed? Studying how to move around in 5.5 is a complete waste of time if one later has to use pro 8? It's a different program completely?

Somehow I don't believe that.

[Ashermusic]

While it would not be a waste of time, you would be learning to do things less efficiently than you can in later versions, especially LP8.

[HalfBlood]

Ok, that's brief and clear. I get it.

[HalfBlood]

I like the fact (somewhat reduced in Logic 8 ) that you can set up whatever key commands you like for most advanced functions. This makes editing pretty quick.


otek

That's definitely a point in favour. I used to get really pissed off when you couldn't do that in videogames.