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    Default Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    Can't tell if the vocal is still a bit tubby in the 200 range - seems ok in most speakers and my monitors, but seems a tiny bit tubby in my earbuds. Any feedback on that and anything else would be helpful. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    200Hz is fine, but the ottotune sucks ass!
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    Where specifically? I didn't do all that much tuning on this one.
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    Obvious to me.
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    Um, I wasn't trying to be a dick, just asking if there's a particular spot that you felt you heard the auto-tune artifact. I didn't really do all that much to this tune, as far as I remember, but it's possible that what little I did do could have been done a little less intrusively, but I'm not sure where your hearing it in the tune. I'm going on the assumption that your criticism was intended to be constructive.
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    Pretty much all the time.

    I mean take a break and listen to the tune in one or two days if possible.
    You will spot it all trough the song.

    Is it that bad with out ottotune?
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    I'm a bit confused as to whether there is an obvious sine-wave like artifact you are hearing or just that it is too in-tune, because honest, I didn't do a whole lot save for a couple of spots. I'm trying to get some useful info specifics out of your critique. Any tuning or editing I did was in a separate session - if I can find it and have the time, I'll post the original vox, but it's not going to differ a whole lot for the most part.
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    It doesn't hit the pitche, it modulate.
    Sounds like the vibrato is on in a few spots.

    You can hear it on the first "fade", "hard" and on 1:30 "way".
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    Thanks for the more specific notes - I'll check those spots.
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    I hear the otto-tune like effect going on all over the vocal as well. Did you perhaps mix this in PT LE without delay compensating the vocals and parallel properly?
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    Nope, all Logic I believe and full delay compensation engaged - no comb filtering/phase cancellation I'm noticing. Even if there were some comb filtering happening, I'm not sure how that would be interpreted as an auto-tune artifact, or is that a separate observation?
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    I guess it's a seperate observation based on the otto tune sound. I was thinking that the ottotune effect was being magnified by out of sync parallel processing.

    The only reason this came to mind is that I was on a PT LE session recently with a UAD-1 recently, and I had mistyped in my compensation number causing a similar effect.
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    Might be the vocal delay, but than again I wouldn't expect a delay to do such a pitch FX.
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    So I went back to the original takes and checked them and it was just a change sudden change in timbre due to my crappy vibrato which probably was not helped by the autotuning, but wasn't a glitch caused by it either. At any rate, I decided I might as well just recut the vocal and the acoustic cause I wasn't thrilled with them anyhow, and I felt like I was making some mix decisions based on the need to mask shit I didn't like about them and it was making the mix suck. So basically what I'm saying is, if you go to same page, there's a new mix with everything redone but the clean guitars and the organ. I'd love to get any good or bad feedback on it. Thanks!
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    So I went back to the original takes and checked them and it was just a change sudden change in timbre due to my crappy vibrato which probably was not helped by the autotuning, but wasn't a glitch caused by it either. At any rate, I decided I might as well just recut the vocal and the acoustic cause I wasn't thrilled with them anyhow, and I felt like I was making some mix decisions based on the need to mask shit I didn't like about them and it was making the mix suck. So basically what I'm saying is, if you go to same page, there's a new mix with everything redone but the clean guitars and the organ. I'd love to get any good or bad feedback on it. Thanks!
    The vocal sounds fine in tone,no tubbuness to my ears,but it does sound auto tuned to me.
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    Well, I don't know what to tell you on that, since I totally recut the vocals and made sure I put together a comp that required the minimum amount of auto tune and that didn't already have any inherent glitchiness in terms of sudden shifts in timbre and used the auto tune as judiciously as I could. I'm just gonna take that in the same way I would take "I hear compression being used.". Moving on, is the balance ok? Could anything come up or down? Is the bass guitar to low? If so, by how much?
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    Default Re: Does this EQ make my vocal seem tubby?

    The bass sits pretty well in the mix. If you think you need to push it a bit (I'm guessing the bass player used a pick), you could add a bit of 4k-ish (around there) to bring out in the mix without goosing volume levels.

    The guitar sounds are great.

    The vocals are a bit dry (could use a very, very slight touchof some high end for clarity but not much though and get them to sit up front and center), but that's that whole "pop punk" sound though. Personally, I think the vox could come up a bit. I thought the takes were good, I wouldn't have made you do another take on any of them. I just like up front vocals. I really like the use of delays during the breaks in "Confessions of a Serial Crusher", really, really nice.

    So far sounds really good.
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