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    Default I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I just got this Sansamp British pedal, and I've heard samples on youtube that sound really good. However, it just doesn't sound that great when I run it straight through the Hi-z on my audio interface.

    Would I get a much better result running this through a really nice preamp, like say a Neve? I don't have said preamp, but I guess I could rent one if I thought it would make this pedal sound any better.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I guess it WAS a dumb question, since I got 15 views and nada.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    that pedal's made to go into a guitar amp, preferably tube, for the best results.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I don't know the British, but I got OK results playing a Liverpool direct.
    What are you up to with it?
    What do you expect the preamp to do?

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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I'm hoping a pre could give it more warmth, more body... just overall sound better than going DI. It's weird. Imitating the settings used in the Youtube demo (which sounded great), it just doesn't sound that great recorded.

    that pedal's made to go into a guitar amp, preferably tube, for the best results.
    It's a Marshall type pedal, but can I run it though any tube amp that has a good clean?
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    well, the best idea i can come up with, would be to marry that pedal with an amp that takes advantage of whatever sonics that particular pedal has...

    maybe, running it into a 5 watt EL84 driven amp wide open, would be perfect...

    or maybe running it into a very clean and quiet 100 watt fender twin, would be even better...

    i can't say, cuz i don't know what kind of sound your after.

    but i can GUARANTEE, it aint gonna sound like a real marshall.

    but, that's not the point.

    the point is, you don't want to run a pedal like this direct, that's not what it's made for.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    OK, look.

    You're wondering about the lack of response? I just got curious after reading this, and had a few minutes I could take. So I went to the Tech21 site and downloaded the manual.

    It tells you, in a simple manual running the epic length all of five pages, that the output is a low impedance output that, depending on settings, can run anywhere from unity gain levels to be suitable for a straight guitar amp input like any pedal, to line level.

    So did you just run the output right into a line input and try that out to see how it sounded?


    The point here is that this place is a great resource of helpful people to point you toward clues and answer questions about topics beyond their current level of knowledge and understanding, to explain concepts that might puzzle people somewhere on the learning curve, as we all are, to help sort out confusing and mystifying situations, and so on.

    Come here asking questions that show that you can't even bother to crack open the manual for your own gear, and want other people to do the most basic homework for you, and you might find that you're mostly being ignored.

    So.

    This time, you're welcome.

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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    Yet to hear a "normal" pedal that sounds good direct without LOTS of arsing around with EQ.

    A new pre will do you no good in that respect. Run it through an amp, or get something like that Palmer box Slippy was destroying (check the radio).
    I'm probably talking shit.

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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    Yet to hear a "normal" pedal that sounds good direct without LOTS of arsing around with EQ.

    A new pre will do you no good in that respect. Run it through an amp, or get something like that Palmer box Slippy was destroying (check the radio).
    I checked out a palmer box, and it was close to $200. Can you recommend something cheaper. Would a regular DI box work, and then just run from the DI to the preamp?

    The point here is that this place is a great resource of helpful people to point you toward clues and answer questions about topics beyond their current level of knowledge and understanding, to explain concepts that might puzzle people somewhere on the learning curve, as we all are, to help sort out confusing and mystifying situations, and so on.

    Come here asking questions that show that you can't even bother to crack open the manual for your own gear, and want other people to do the most basic homework for you, and you might find that you're mostly being ignored.
    I did not get a manual with the thing, so I didn't think about finding one to download. I've never downloaded a manual in my 32 years, so it wasn't something I thought of.

    Instead I come to a forum, where people ask all sorts of questions and share all sorts of information. I have information inside my head that someday I might share here, IF I decide to stay. I'm new year, and I didn't think it was too much to expect people to be kind and generous with their input.

    The fact is, I've never dealt too much with this sim type pedals. I understood that other pedals are usually combined with an amp, but I thought that this one could be inputed direct for usable results. Guess not.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I checked out a palmer box, and it was close to $200. Can you recommend something cheaper.
    200 bucks is pretty damn cheap for what the Palmer does. It's pretty much rock bottom. Even a GOOD passive DI (with a good transformer) will cost you 150 bucks and up.

    I've never downloaded a manual in my 32 years, so it wasn't something I thought of.
    See how useful this forum is? You've learned something really valuable already.

    I have information inside my head that someday I might share here, IF I decide to stay.
    Is it about who really shot J.R. Ewing in "Dallas"?

    I didn't think it was too much to expect people to be kind and generous with their input.
    I thought Eagan was very kind and generous to look up the manual and do your homework for you.

    The fact is, I've never dealt too much with this sim type pedals.
    That's fine. Just making sure you get this: No one here is gonna beat your ass for not knowing stuff. No one is going to ridicule you for lack of experience. They might, however, beat your ass for being lazy.

    I thought that this one could be inputed direct for usable results. Guess not.
    See? Yet another valuable piece of knowledge that comes to you as a direct result of spending time on this forum.

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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    i think you might be better off, to send that pedal back, and look for a used POD...
    if you want to work direct, and are not really concerned with 'stellar' guitar tracks.
    that'd be the 'cut to the chase' solution.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    i think you might be better off, to send that pedal back, and look for a used POD...
    if you want to work direct, and are not really concerned with 'stellar' guitar tracks.
    that'd be the 'cut to the chase' solution.
    I would do that, but got it second hand. I guess I'm just gonna see if I can borrow an amp from someone, because I can't afford a $200 direct box.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    the point is, you don't want to run a pedal like this direct, that's not what it's made for.
    Those sansamp character thingies have a speaker emulation and very effective EQ.
    So, they can be used direct, in principle.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    I can't afford a $200 direct box.
    That's OK - a DI box is not what's going to make the desired difference, in this case.

    A good DI box may give you subtle improvement over a bad one, but it's not going to turn a guitar sound you hate into a guitar sound you love.


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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    Those sansamp character thingies have a speaker emulation and very effective EQ.
    So, they can be used direct, in principle.
    nope, not these pedals.

    you're thinking of the SANSAMP classic, and even those didn't sound that good used direct, versus a miced cab.....(i've used them, so that's my subjective opinion)

    the newer pedal, is really meant to drive an amp, and adds an eq to that amp that helps it sound more like the character of the pedal intent...
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    to be fair to sansamp...
    i think the classic series worked well, driving a tube amp.
    it's more like a really refined preamp circuit (all analog) and i think that's pretty cool.

    the speaker sims in those things, i never thought were actually very good.

    that said, i use a sansamp BASS DI on a regular basis, and love it..

    but guitars, they're a more tricky beast.

    i use a Palmer PDI-09 as a go-between my amp and my recording interface...

    i've found it to be excellent.

    that, and a WEBER Mass Lite, lets me tame my live rig for recording at any volume, even late night.
    it's a great compromise to full out miced cabs, which is always the preference.
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    i think you might be better off, to send that pedal back, and look for a used POD...
    If I were to get a Pod, like the XT, will running THAT though a nice preamp be beneficial?
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    not any more beneficial than running a really nice LDC thru a really nice preamp, versus a crappy one.....
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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    If I were to get a Pod, like the XT, will running THAT though a nice preamp be beneficial?
    It will be beneficial in as much as it enhances the quality of the recording.

    As I said before, it's not gonna turn a crappy sound into a good one, or a tone you hate into one you love.

    Get it at the source first. Not in the signal chain.


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    Default Re: I have a really dumb question regarding tracking an amp sim pedal.

    My suggestion would be to send a message to the person who posted your favorite YouTube video and ask them what exactly was in their rig when they recorded, or look in the sidebar and see if they list the gear.

    Sounds to me that you have a pedal that isn't really for DI, even if it has that capability. I have the Tech 21 XXL pedal and it sounds like an alien insect invasion when used direct, but it can get more than decent results driving an amp.
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