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    The following short quotes are from the recently reopened Ethan Winer Open Invitation Thread (a thread from which I, Weedy, Goes211, Zoesch, Malice, Dwoz, Fletcher, and others were preemptively removed (a direct request from Mr. Winer himself as I understand it from sources inside)).

    Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears on GS

    1. What speakers do you use when you are testing?
    2. Which monitor controller do you use?
    Originally Posted by Ethan Winer response on GS

    I have two systems in two different rooms. The speakers in my studio are large old-school JBL 4430s, with a 15-inch woofer and bi-radial horn tweeter. They're bi-amped at 1,200 Hz using a Rane crossover, which feeds a pair of Crown PowerBase amps totaling just over 1 KW. I don't use a "monitor controller" per se. Audio goes in and out of my computer through a Mackie 1202 mixer, and there's also a Rane "DJ" type mixer in the path where I select the source of Mackie, cassette deck, or Sony DAT player. It wouldn't be too difficult to patch around any or all of these pieces.

    The other system is in my living room. It's 5.1 surround with a consumer receiver, Mackie 624s, and a killer SVS subwoofer with twin 12s. That room is smaller than my studio, so a dozen people can't all be in the sweet spot. But we can still play stuff there if people want.

    --Ethan
    Originally Posted by Themarqueeyears

    I'm just lost for words, Ethan.

    I shall quietly close the door behind me as I leave, I wish you well by the way.
    Originally Posted by Ethan Winer response on GS

    What's wrong with that? Please be very specific. Facepalms do not count.

    --Ethan
    Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts after reading the above exchange



    Chris
    Maybe Ethan can go to the AES show this year and prove that low-end mixers like the Mackie 1202 (piggy-backed into a Rane DJ mixer (oooh boy)), are "truly transparent."

    Discuss.

    Enjoy,

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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders. Read here!

    Originally Posted by James Lehmann on GS

    The latest rash of comically indignant expressions of outrage about Ethan's monitoring chain are simply more red-herrings that divert the focus away from his original offer to invite you to his place to test your A-D converters against his.
    Originally Posted by Ethan Winer response on GS
    Exactly. So far I have nine people attending, and not one of them is firmly in the "Ethan is full of shite" camp as Kenny jokingly suggested. Not one person from the other side is willing to come here and risk picking the SoundBlaster blind as sounding best. Not one of them.

    So, let me see if I've got this straight. We're all locked out of the GS thread (and we did nothing, this was a preemptive strike), yet Ethan insinuates that we have not made every effort to arrange for a test, knowing full well we can't defend ourselves?

    I do believe the record shows otherwise.

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    There is not much to discuss.

    What floors me is how Jules totally discredit his own board by allowing this farce to take place in his own forum letting Ethan decide who can attend and debate and who cannot as if were running the place.

    Not a very good way to set the boundaries of a fair test

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    That said, I would love to have an honnest debate here about the methodology. I do understand Ethan's able to post again here, and I'm glad.

    I am still banned from the discussion at GS, but I asked him in another thread if he ever tried to null the output of his SB card with his monitoring signal path (Mackie 1202>Rane DJ mixer).

    The thing is that I would be very surpised if it does. I mean, for having tested several consumer desks as monitoring against proper designed ones, I felt the difference was night and day. The image was colapsing, the noisefloor raised, the details were going down.

    So patching two of them would make it difficult to make an educated judgment over converters, uimho.

    But I may be wrong ...

    Or not

    malice

    PS: for critical litening test, I would advice very simple passive monitoring system
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    Well I'm currently doing all of my mixing on a DJ mixer (one of the ones with the two little turntables, (I'll be damned if I can figure out how to get a record to spin on one of these things but that's beside the point)), so I don't see what all the damn fuss is all about.
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    Well I'm currently doing all of my mixing on a DJ mixer (one of the ones with the two little turntables, (I'll be damned if I can figure out how to get a record to spin on one of these things but that's beside the point)), so I don't see what all the damn fuss is all about.
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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!

    THIS JUST IN!!!!

    Malice feigns not knowing whether two low end mixers in series (let alone just one!) would drastically affect the quality of Ethan's monitoring.

    See above.

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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!

    In the meantime Ethan claims he has the answer as to why people facepalm him :

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    Do you know why they have only facepalms and no answers? I do.

    --Ethan
    You do ?

    .......





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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!

    UPDATE!!!!!!

    Aardy eviscerates Ethan on GS!

    Originally Posted by Aardvark on GS
    I believe that he'll be open to a test of the Mackie/Rane bit vs. another monitoring chain, and think that he'll gladly concede the difference if the majority hears it!
    You obviously have no idea the number of times a majority of folks in a debate, most of them audio professionals, have told Ethan they hear something differently than he does. Gladly conceding is not part of his vocabulary.

    I think the *insinuation* wworried here is that if you're monitoring through a Mackie mixer, it's possible that you can't hear the difference between converters.
    Not exactly... his monitoring system is into the Mackie and THEN into his Rane DJ mixer. So we are talking two low-end mixers mezed and not just one entering the equation. If this does not strike you as both odd and clueless I am not sure what will.

    The insinuation (and a very strong one at that) is that nobody who has even a remote idea would consider this chain to be either logical or suitable to professional audio needs... sure it might be just what any stone-deaf punter looking to amuse him or herself with audio manipulation requires but other than that this is a rig that speaks volumes about what seems to be the key, if somewhat unspoken, point here... Mr. Winer cannot hear worth a damn.


    What else can explain his determinations?


    The first test needed is a hearing test for Mr. Winer, followed by a DNA test.hittt


    A fundamental hearing problem would also explain his inability to hear what so many others, especially those folks who have been making records for decades, easily hear when it comes to basic transcription and reproduction technologies.


    The DNA test would help us determine something else about this quickly decomposing giant mud-carp he has left on the beach of audio common sense... he cannot be serious right? This must be a send-up right?


    Is Ethan really who he says he is?


    Has anyone ever seen him in the same room with Andy Kaufman before Kaufman's alleged death?


    A little Google work says that Ethan and Andy are the same age. Further sleuthing reveals that Ethan only starts to make his "name" around the same time of Kaufman's alleged death.

    Note the pictures below.

    Now, ask yourself a simple question.



    What is more believable:

    1: Ethan is for real, his methods and conclusions are to be taken as scientific fact.

    2: Ethan is actually Andy Kaufman pulling one over on a number of wide-mouth Bass.

    3: Ethan can't hear the differences, subtle or bold, that everyone else seems to be able to distinguish so perhaps he is just plain hearing-challenged.


    Oh... and for the record... I offered to arrange a test in NYC for Mr. Winer, Mr. Wet and a few others to attend where we could test the veracity of their various claims in regard to hearing format and converter differences... Mr. Winer has never responded. Also, Mr. Wet is not allowed to post here to defend his position, muck like a number of folks at the Womb. For Mr. Winer to misrepresent Mr. Wet or any other folks who are unable to defend themselves here is a rather inelegant convenience I would suggest. As for defending himself at the Womb, Mr. Winer's account is fully functional as we speak. He is welcome to address our readership regarding his choice of monitoring equipment and how he uses it or any other illuminating aspects of his methodology.



    Cheers,
    Aardvark

    Ethan responds! Huh?

    Originally Posted by Aardvark on GS
    Originally Posted by Ethan responds on GS
    I offered to arrange a test in NYC for Mr. Winer, Mr. Wet and a few others to attend where we could test the veracity of their various claims in regard to hearing format and converter differences... Mr. Winer has never responded.
    Liar. I offered repeatedly at the Womb to go to Weedy's in NYC and he never replied. If you're willing to set this up, I'm all for it. Please email me from my web site with some proposed dates.


    Originally Posted by Aardvark on GS
    Originally Posted by Ethan responds on GS
    Mr. Wet is not allowed to post here to defend his position.
    As far as I know WW is not barred from this thread. Why would he be?
    Originally Posted by Aardvark on GS
    Originally Posted by Ethan responds on GS
    As for defending himself at the Womb, Mr. Winer's account is fully functional as we speak.
    Oh really? The last time I tried to log in many weeks ago a message popped up saying I'm banned for life. Would you guys please make up your mind?

    Regardless, I'm not about to post at the Womb unless you guys promise not to delete or alter or moderate even one word I write. If you can't promise me that, then you're far more full of shit than you accuse me of being.

    --Ethan
    Someone pull out the quotes in which I offer to put him up at my house, and the one where I say I'll be in NYC in the summer, and the one in which Weedy offers to set it up when he finishes one particular record, and then the part where Ethan starts completely changing the terms by suggesting we compare a high-end converter to source rather than a Sounblaster.

    I don't have the time.

    Of course, I don't need to mention the obvious fact that Mr. Winer didn't address anything remotely substanteive from Aardy's post. Ahem.

    Enjoy,

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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!

    I have never before seen an Internet forum with custom artwork for making fun of people.

    Ever.
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    I have never before seen an Internet forum with custom artwork for making fun of people.

    Ever.
    Isn't it great?

    Meanwhile, in another ABX galaxy far far away, in another test conducted by Ethan comparing SB cards, he hears a difference.

    That was 10 years ago. Maybe his hearing was better back then?
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    Isn't it great?



    That was 10 years ago. Maybe his hearing was better back then?
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    Well, after 10 more years of listening on butthorns......
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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!

    I have never before seen an Internet forum with custom artwork for making fun of people.

    Ever.
    We prefer the term "ridicule." Custom artwork ridiculing someone who the AES has invited to make presentations. Ridiculing a person that claims he understands science, but then devises a test that breaks nearly every major tenet of scientific testing.

    We are ridiculing someone that OUR society has given credence to, even though he can't even understand the importance of a decent monitoring chain.

    It's ridicule. And it's deserved.

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    Originally Posted by Mixerman (as quoted by Kenny with his personal addendum contained within on GS
    As to this test: I haven't listened to the files. For starters, I've already been PMed the answers by more than one person. This means the results have been tainted. If Ethan and Kenny had REALLY wanted me involved, they would have made sure that I was involved from the start (and I would have demanded they come up with a test that actually has a hypothesis and possible conclusion ), and they would have made sure the results couldn't possibly be skewed BY PEOPLE PMing EACH OTHER THE ANSWERS! I mean come on!

    Ethan, don't claim you're a scientist, and then devise a test in which there is no possible conclusion, other than the following: Ethan hears no difference, others do.

    That said, my magic 8-ball claims the original is (removed because MM is a ****ing ********* who values no ones hard work but his own (how long did I keep that secret for you?). I haven't listened to the files. Nor will I. You can't lock me out of the discussion (and I was LITERALLY banned from the Open Invitation thread), and then decide that I need to be part of a retarded and unscientific test after-the-fact.

    Enjoy,

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    Originally Posted by Kenny on GS
    For the record, you locked yourself out of the conversation.

    Whenever I've done these things before, I've posted them both here and in our, (ahem sorry) your forum.

    That was not possible as I have no access to post on your forum.

    You did it to yourself.

    Kudos to the ***holes who PMed him the answers. It goes to show that they think you're a cheat and a fraud.

    Nice bunch of followers you got there.

    Thanks for taking them out of my world.

    All the best.

    XOXOXOXOXOXO
    Kenny,

    How did I get myself banned from that thread? Apparently, I was banned before it was opened, YET, I'm not banned from any other threads. What specifically did I do to get myself preemptively banned from the Open Invitation thread that didn't get me banned from your Sondblasters Test thread? Because I don't know of anything, other than what I hear on the grapevine, which is that Ethan made a "list," for Jules. It seems I, and others here, made that list. Now, what was it I DID to make that list? And why am I not just banned from all threads on GS?

    Because Ethan doesn't want me in the argument.

    I might point out, we unbanned Ethan here. He can respond. He doesn't want to. He WANTED to be banned, just like you did when you said "Ban me!" on your last post on the Womb. We're certainly not going to keep anyone around that doesn't wish to be here, otherwise, they'll just make sure they cost us so much of our time that we have no choice. In your regard, this would be similar.

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    What you propose is exactly what's been going on for a couple months...with some amazingly entertaining and educating filler.
    Yup. I know. Like I said, I was following it for a while, until I got so far behind on the latest reading that I realized I was like a dog chasing a car that was now in the next county, and said fuck it.

    A lot of it was educational. But again, back to my earlier point, it got to be such a tangled mess that extracting the useful stuff was more of a chore than it was worth after a while.

    That's what's so frustrating in all of this. Ethan goes on with his spiel (or it gets quoted when someone asks what the fuck is going on), the right test is proposed, everything dissolves against the wishes of the front line.
    That's it. That was exactly my point. It's a circus of digression, it became that early on, and it has only gotten worse and worse. I'm repeating, but a lot of that can, to some degree (that, I understand, can be damned difficult to see in perspective for the people deep into the middle of the fray) be placed in the laps of the people who end up indulging it.

    This is what I'm talking about. If you're trying, earnestly, to straighten out something you regard as bullshit from somebody, if they keep darting and wiggling around in digressions and diversions, keep making changes in terms of claiming they said something different from what they actually DID say at some earlier point (and shifting again each and every time it looks like somebody is close to tackling them), guess what? All of the discussion ends up being all about just chasing them around all the time. Trying to do anything like tracking the course of all that will only, given enough time and a few hundred pages of written discussion, end up looking like an attempt to draw a diagram of the flight paths of a cloud of gnats.

    We can't let this go. It's a dying horse that needs a double barrel to the back of the brain.
    I get that. No argument. But there are some things to consider.

    I actually agree, although I don't feel any engagement in the saga. Which might, I suggest, make it worthwhile to offer the comments I am, because I think it's a reasonably detached view from the sidelines perspective.

    What the fuck, this is turning into an essay, but here goes.

    I'll speak about an unrelated story of personal experience that is, indeed, a different story. The thing is, there are things I've gathered from that that I can see being a little relevant.

    I won't get into a bunch of private things in public (short form; it's a family matter). But over a long, long time, I've had (way too much) experience dealing with someone with a couple of major, all consuming, problems. They suffer from severe, extreme narcissistic personality disorder, and sheer astounding rock-dead stupidity. To be more accurate, they don't suffer from this. Everybody around them suffers from this.

    [As a side note, one thing about that extended story is that it has, at least, I hope, given me a little bit of a lesson in personal perspective. It might have made me a little more conscious of understanding and distinguishing between a pair of very different ideas. It's one thing to think and essentially say "you know, I think I know and understand something of the stuff at hand here, or I might be aware that there is a lot I don't know, but I've given it enough thought to say something, there might be something worth considering in what I have to say" and "I have something to say, and it must be absolutely correct and vitally important, because I'M saying it!".]

    Anyway. Trust me, there is probably a book I could write on the experiences relating to all that, but there is one particular aspect of that saga of a series of epic sagas. I'm seeing something very fucking similar in this whole extended raging clusterfuck.

    The subject is continually changing.

    In the specific case I've dealt with, there is a recurring pattern, it happens pretty much always, predictably, at least it's predictable in its unpredictability. In other words, you never know where it's going to go, specifically. I just know, whatever the matter at hand is, and it doesn't matter how simple and clear the actual matter is, what will generally happen.

    The human in question will, almost instantly, go into the same pattern as soon as there is any hint of a suggestion that they might be somewhat mistaken about something (which is normal, because the combination of the severe narcissism and stunning stupidity means, first, they virtually never stop talking if there is any living being within audible range, and second, they rarely ever have the most general clue of what the fuck they're talking about).

    The subject changes. Instantly. Then again. Then, again. Repeat ad nauseum. Each change of subject, in this case, will go flying off on the most ridiculous, random tangents. Continually.

    It's more random and totally absurd than the subject at hand here, we're talking completely random nuttiness where you wonder how it could go from this to that. I am NOT, I should make very clear, suggesting that the guy at the center of this drama is pathologically narcissistic and/or idiotic, and I'll return to that.

    What I do see is the ducking and diving constant changes of the subject every time it's getting close to being unavoidable to admit "you know what, you guys are right, I might be wrong here".

    In the case of the ongoing family drama, there are differences, starting with how others deal with the person i question. They basically just take the "pretend everything is OK and this makes sense and just play along, and make them happy" (which is actually not truly possible), some idea that it's easier that way (it is not, it only makes it worse and worse).

    Me, on the other hand, I'm the family "troublemaker" because I actually address crazy bullshit by pointing out that it's crazy bullshit. Which is where that story pulls back into a somewhat parallel path to the subject here.

    For a long time, I would stop and address each point of random crazy, each diversionary, digressing change of subject, pointing out exactly what was nonsense (as much as possible..... sometimes it's so completely randomly crazy it's impossible to tell what they're really on to now, it's like "OK, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean").

    All I found, and it took me a ridiculously long time to fully realize it, and figure out how to try to cope with it, is this.

    That chasing after each darting tangential digression and shift, including, often, them saying something very different from something they said before, sometimes only minutes before, and claiming it was what they had said before, never got any resolution. It would just go further and further into the weeds. "That's not what I said! I said THIS!" and so on. Maybe that, with an immediate sudden change to yet another subject. On and on.

    All that happened was that one way or another, they got what they wanted..... continual attention (the longer some confused melodrama continued, the longer they were the center of attention...... it took me many years before that light bulb finally came on in my head), and continual evasion of every being pinned down and having to admit "I was just plain wrong" or "I really don't know what I was talking about".

    It doesn't work.

    Each time you go after some new digression to refute and beat that down, you only follow the bait to lead things into more and more complex confusion away from the original point.

    Back to this story with Ethan, here's the effect of all the endless saga of this. I think I'm not being too presumptuous in suggesting that for casual observers, it's all such a complicated, endless mess, so tangled and convoluted, that all many people might come away with is " an angry mob is chasing Ethan..... poor Ethan".

    So, it's back to what I was saying earlier.

    In the case of the matter I'm talking about of personal experience, I finally realized there was only real way to go to deal with it. When the inevitable evading digressions come up, just say "no, we're talking about THIS; we are not changing the subject", each and every time. In that case, it means all sorts of petulant hysterics (the narcissism is truly severe), but it's the only way to stick with the actual matter at hand at that moment. No matter what. Insistence. No. We're talking about THIS. No, you're not going off on some other subject. We're talking about this. Anything else just allows them to lead anybody involved miles off into the weeds.

    In the matter here, it needs the same thing, I believe. I'm certain.

    Simple, direct, and concise.

    You said this.
    Here is the simple test to test this point.
    We'll make arrangements to do the test in a proper test environment.
    Show up and join us, or don't.
    Your choice.
    There's nothing else to talk about.

    Doing this will, I believe, clarify much.

    If the assorted bouncing changes of subjects, assertions that something was said previously that in fact is NOT what had been said previously, and any other diversions continue, it will be much more obvious when it's contrasted to a simple clear repetition:

    You said this.
    Here is the simple test to test this point.
    We'll make arrangements to do the test in a proper test environment.
    Show up and join us, or don't.
    Your choice.
    There's nothing else to talk about.


    I'm mainly speaking to MM, really. It's your playpen here, and so it ends up one way or another as being seen by at least some people as "Mixerman Vs. Winer".

    Trust me, I UNDERSTAND the impetus and urge to smack down and refute each and every wandering digression, change of position, change of claim of what was said sometime earlier, all that, I'm not saying you're WRONG to do any of that, because you certainly are not.

    I suggest that, despite that, every time you devote long posts to picking apart each new example of that kind of stuff in detail, it only actually helps to confuse things in general, in allowing things to become lost in complex confusion, and/or gradually push things more and more into looking like some silly petty personal squabble to casual passers by who can't even figure out, at this point, what the fuck got it all started.

    Nail it down to the basics and repeat those, and nothing else in addition to that except to simply say "you're evading the matter", before repeating them again.

    I peeked in to the GS thread and see that there is this whole new experiment that I won't discuss, not merely because anybody who gives a shit about all this knows about it, but more importantly, because it's another diversion. It is AN experiment, but it certainly is NOT, IMO, an experiment that is relevant to the original issue.

    So ignore it.

    Repeat the basics again. Schedule the test (I would guess that from what I gather, a session at Slippy's place in the summer would be the most likely plan). Repeat the invitation and state, here it is. Join us, or shut up.


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    Geez my popcorn got cold.
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    Default Re: BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer gets facepalmed on GS. Shunned by bottom feeders everywhere. Read here!


    I'm mainly speaking to MM, really. It's your playpen here, and so it ends up one way or another as being seen by at least some people as "Mixerman Vs. Winer".
    Me? I'm not involved in that GS debate at all. I have nothing to do with it. Didn't know it was happening, and when I did, I wasn't interested.

    I'm just reporting the news. Hence the THIS JUST IN!

    It's big news to find out we've been debating the audible differences betwen cheap converters and high quality ones with someone that doesn't even know what a reasonable monitoring chain consists of, or why it might be important to CRITCIAL LISTENING (notice the "critical" part). It's big news to find out that one can hear bigger differences in audio files if they're in an untreated room than in a treated one. Who knew? (Ethan actually said that).

    What kind of service would we be providing at the Womb if we didn't report BIG NEWS?

    I'm trying to reach AES for comment. I will report back the moment I hear from them.

    Enjoy,

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    Unfortunately he doesn't make a Trident plugin. Damned!
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