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    And Mona Lisa's expression says it all...

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    And Mona Lisa's expression says it all...

    ; J
    Scientific American recently ran an analysis of the original of the Mona Lisa that explained how Leonardo managed that "enigmatic smile" effect where you don't see it looking straight at it but you do when looking out of the corner of your eye. Great analogy to how digital manages to lose that "indefinable something" that analog has......

    I think it was a couple of months back.......
    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
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    Although maybe the analogy to the test is more about this:




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    My oh my.

    Originally Posted by Ethan Winer @ GS
    I gladly admit that all three files sound the same to me. And not only through my Mackie/Rane/JBL system, through headphones too. But what I hear is not the point and never has been.
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    Perhaps we need to improve the signal path.

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    In that Spirit, I wrote this little ditty last night. Very rough yet but I wanted to post it up before the thread closed


    Hey Ethan, I still love you Bro and I'm still going to trap my room



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    LOL! Nice one!

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    Here is an original digital copy, and a copy of that copy

    if you cannot tell them apart, this PROVES that digital has made a perfect copy and therefor is of higher quality than oil paint on canvas.
    Comparing to the original painting is 'unnecessary'



    everyone clear?
    That pretty much sums it up
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    BIG NEWS!! Ethan Winer, still a douche when it comes to audio or internet discussions!

    Guy who owns cheap tannoys says he can't hear a difference and still totally agrees with him! News at 11!



    Ummmm, when can we run our own test?
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    Perfect demonstration.
    (applause for Weedy)
    Exactly. How can a test of AD converters start with material that has already been digitized. The only valid test is to go from A to D.
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    You could do this without the extra pre and mic with a Metric Halo ULN 8 as it mults the input and gives access to the output before the convertor enabling you to capture both at the same time.
    Oh no you don't! Don't you go dragging us into this, or I'll remotely kill your +DSP license!

    Just kidding.

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    Oh no you don't! Don't you go dragging us into this, or I'll remotely kill your +DSP license!

    Just kidding.

    (just because it's fun)
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    In that Spirit, I wrote this little ditty last night. Very rough yet but I wanted to post it up before the thread closed


    Hey Ethan, I still love you Bro and I'm still going to trap my room
    Great stuff - What kind of converters did you use ; )

    There were just a few spots where there was some jitter.

    15 sec jitter
    27 sec jitter
    47 sec jitter
    2:01 jitter
    2:10 jitter
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    Exactly. How can a test of AD converters start with material that has already been digitized. The only valid test is to go from A to D.
    Agreed.

    I think I've said in a bunch of other places, that the fundamental issue with conversion to digital is the very first entry. All subsequent iterations through MOST digital cards will do very little to affect the audio.

    This is, I think, due to the fact that, as JJ has said many times, that Nyquist and Shannon are right, and digital conversion of band-limited audio is very, very good.

    The thing is, that most cards can do a pretty good job of encoding what their output can produce.
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    There is perhaps a better test implying that the source comes from a top notch converter and the converters to test are recording the source without being clocked, with another computer.

    I probably can do this with a cranesong as source and lavry/SSL/M-Audio/Rme, and cheapo laptop converters.

    Maybe I can find an SB card.

    At least this way you put back bad clocking issues into the test.

    Still recording an acoustic source would be preferable I guess.

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    Just when you thought you'd heard it all :

    Originally Posted by Ethan Winer @ GS
    To me there was no difference, but I accept that others hear a difference. The ones who say one is slightly clearer are likely right, though I'd prefer to be able to test that blind. I can only assume the people who hear a large difference in fullness are listening in an untreated room.
    So, lemme get this straight : Trapman(tm) is now saying that untreated rooms are actually better for assessing audio differences.

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    Great stuff - What kind of converters did you use ; )

    There were just a few spots where there was some jitter.

    15 sec jitter
    27 sec jitter
    47 sec jitter
    2:01 jitter
    2:10 jitter
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    I don't claim to know a whole lot about converters and audio guru stuff or this Ethan ordeal....
    I just know that I was told you guys had beer n chips and that your blow up dolls had 72% real hair.

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    Just when you thought you'd heard it all :



    So, lemme get this straight : Trapman(tm) is now saying that untreated rooms are actually better for assessing audio differences.


    No, this makes perfect sense, as an analysis of the tautological nature of Ethan's position.

    Basically, if you think he's wrong, it's because you are listening in a situation where you are being fooled by room effects.

    One of his main theories is that people hear differences because they're moving their head around in an untreated space, and that room effects account for most, if not all, results.

    I'm not exactly sure how he reconciles the people that listened in headphones though.

    "...but ma, audio engineering IS gainful employment!..."

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    No, this makes perfect sense, as an analysis of the tautological nature of Ethan's position.

    Basically, if you think he's wrong, it's because you are listening in a situation where you are being fooled by room effects.

    One of his main theories is that people hear differences because they're moving their head around in an untreated space, and that room effects account for most, if not all, results.

    I'm not exactly sure how he reconciles the people that listened in headphones though.

    I'll still call nitpicking bullshit.
    The untreated room would sound different, but identically different. Not enhancing the differences between converters. Or isn't the issue that there IS actually a difference ?
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    Very entertaining indeed...

    But I feel sorry for a man that worked hard for a reputation as Mr. Trap going south in such an embarassing way. I mean - who on earth could possibly take any of his words seriously after this brain-meltdown?

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    Monitoring live off the:

    1. Console- Very very nice.
    2. Tape- Very very nice but different than 1.
    3. Nice Converter- different from 1 and 2 but useable
    4. crap converter- different from 1, 2 and 3
    5. copy of a copy- who fucking cares?
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