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    Default Trident Series 70 a good sounding board?

    Hey all I am looking to upgrade my board right now I have a TOFT ATB 32. I'm looking at buying a Trident 70 but I want to get your opinions on how it sounds. Also how different does it sound from an 80b?

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    I'm very happy with my Toft considering what I spent on it. Would you mind describing why you feel you need to upgrade it? I'm always interested in better. Are you committed to upgrading?
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    I did a couple sessions on a miniature blue Trident once. I think it was a Series 65? It was incredibly noisy. The EQ was quite coarse/wide Q but relatively musical as I remember.

    Having been raised on a (heavily modified) TSM, I was a bit shocked at how toy-like it was. Did not even seem to come from the same company.

    If it's the same board (probably not), I can't imagine it being better than a Toft.
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    And there is the Series 82:

    http://www.trident-audio.com/series82.html

    Worth looking at just from the "I won't have to sell a kidney just to get an old one up to spec..." factor.


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    The 70 was/ and can be, with lots of maintainance, a good sounding rock board. (the 80 was way better, imho.). there are some build problems, such as the patch-bays and channel strips are in trays that seem to need constant cleaning and re-seating. The eq was odd, but really could sound good....I would hazard a guess that almost any 70 will need extensive re-capping, and cleaning. ( pots, switches, faders, cards). I haven't used a Toft, so I can't say whether it's worse, better, or so different that there is no comparison. I made some pretty OK records on some 70s, but the last time I used one the age factor was really getting in the way. ( the board, not me......, though I was older than the board....)

    The rub with any older board is that you have to figure out if the buying and fixing it up cost is in your interest.
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    I use an 80B pretty regularly and it sounds great. The pre's are really nice, as is the EQ, but it is somewhat delicate. As was said previously you are going to have to account for plenty of maintenance if the one I use is anything to go by.
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    I'm very happy with my Toft considering what I spent on it. Would you mind describing why you feel you need to upgrade it? I'm always interested in better. Are you committed to upgrading?
    Hey man, here is problem with the TOFT, or problems. It has a minimal amount of functionality. I need insert points on the channel that are pre or post eq selectable. It has a lack of headroom, it's eq doesn't have adjustable width and the build quality is just not up to par....

    Now, for what you and I paid for the console? It's damn good I just need a little more.

    To everyone else, thanks for the info. I'm happy I switched from that other place I couldn't get any help. I don't have the cash or time to be fixing up a console as I go. This is a smaller but still commercial place. Pretty much I don't have the cash for an 80b. I have the cash for a 80b that needs a little work but that's not what I'm looking for. The new Audient may be my new console. Decent everything but no transformers on input.... dammit. If anyone has any preference to Audient as I have only used one briefly please let me know!

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    It has a lack of headroom,
    There is a relatively simple mod available from - I think - Jim Williams which apparently addresses this.

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    Yeah that is actually a good lower cost solution!
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    I think Slipperman has some special mods too he once sugested to Jim Williams. Although I could not quite word them like him...
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    I'm about to get the preamp upgrades to tryout on 2 channels and the master section upgrade. Lets see if I may aswell have just dragged the cards behind my car for a few hours.
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    I having hard time deciding in between these two consoles. Everyone has been very helpful here so far, it's awesome. Now if I can pick your brains one more time... well for now.

    Anyway I have this Trident 70 off of VK's website that is in pretty much perfect shape. The I have this shiny new Audient that just came out.

    The Trident has transformers on input and the Audient doesn't. So on yada yada. I know this is really my own personal choice but if I need to know anything that would persuade me towards one or the other that would be very helpful!

    I do like how big and bad ass the Tridents are.........
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    I need insert points on the channel that are pre or post eq selectable.
    Not an option on the Trident 70 and 75 either. Although IIRC the 80b has it.

    it's eq doesn't have adjustable width
    Neither does the Neve 8068.


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    Neither does the Neve 8068.


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    well, not continuously variable Q

    but a narrow q button
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    well, not continuously variable Q

    but a narrow q button

    Oops. Its been a couple of years.


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    Hey guys thanks for all of your input. I would like to pull this conversation into new ground here. ONLY because I was offered an amazing deal on a Neve V3, the three boards that I'm in a toss up right now are the Trident 70, The Audient ASP4816 and this fully recapped as of 2010 36 channel Neve V3 that I can get for roughly the same cost as the Trident. Now this is a commercial place and I need the best all rounder I can get. From the three I mentioned does anybody have any opinions or thoughts on which board would out perform the other?

    Mainly in between the Trident and Neve.

    Thanks in advance
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    In another thread, I asked a question about the Neve V series consoles, and why they were hated.

    Here's Mixerman's response:

    http://www.thewombforums.com/showpos...4&postcount=11


    HTH


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    Well thanks for that, they have a much bigger feature set than the 70 for mixing but I wonder if the sound better overall as well.
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    Ok.

    This new Audient has a price of roughly 11,000GBP...

    If the Neve is in the mix at around the same price point, I'm having a hard time envisioning what condition a Neve V at that price would be like.

    You'd have to think that it is going to be pretty rough to be going for probably less than 10% of its original purchase price.

    You'd want to budget around that much again to bring the desk up to spec, and keep some money aside for ongoing maintenance.

    Cheers,
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    The best radio mic system that money can buy is ALMOST as good as a $20 cable.

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    Ego and talent seldom go hand in hand... Talent and humble on the other hand... - Zoesch

    Weedy ignores this simple bit of glaring obviousness because he is an "ELECTRIC BASS GUITARIST"(coughcough)
    and views the kick drum as a "bass riff rhythmic pattern suggestion generator" - Slipperman
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    Does it have flying faders? I imagine it has a rh producer's desk/patch bay. Those boards run really hot and are hard on the caps. It helps to run them without the back/side panels and keep the cr pretty cool. (Same type of problems as the Mozart RN.) Although a smaller frame might be less problematic...

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