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    Thats laughable. Not sure why I am even responding to it, I must be in a good mood. Before you seek representation I suggest you learn the industry 1st, or you will be a headache for anyone to work with. Are companies like TuneCore, CD Baby (and my own distribution company for that matter) getting over on artists for charging for distribution? iTunes, Amazon and the other major stores don't charge us a cent to ingest our music so should the artists get it free too??

    I pay my artists far more than most labels or management companies. Artists can make up to 50% versus the Industry Standard of 15% or if using the point system maybe 5 points. I go to bat for my artists, I even operate some of their Facebook and Twitter accounts, run the fan clubs, the whole 9. You have no idea who you're talking to so I will blame your ignorance and not your heart.

    If you want to speak on the NFL and artist exploitation I'm game, but other than that the convo between You and I is about done.

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    No, it's not justifiable. Do you honestly think that Katy Perry will benefit more from the "exposure" of miming 3 songs at the Super Bowl than the Super Bowl will benefit from having her? It's not like the Grammys, which is an awards show, it's a flat-out commercial venture for which the NFL (an allegedly non-profit organization according to the US government) is raking in millions of dollars.
    To those that did not believe what I said (as an industry professional) regarding artist benefiting from performing at the Super Bowl - View Both Attachments to see how well it impacted the artists...... I accept your apology.

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    To those that did not believe what I said (as an industry professional) regarding artist benefiting from performing at the Super Bowl - View Both Attachments to see how well it impacted the artists...... I accept your apology.
    I saw a little bit of the halftime show and I thought it was exceptionally well done.

    The truth is, neither of you are these artists' managers and therefore have no idea if there was a projected increase in sales or not. I think the show proves that if you kick major ass and try to be exceptional, you can see an increase in sales. That's a good thing. It also means people were watching. Which kind of proves the other point.

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    I saw a little bit of the halftime show and I thought it was exceptionally well done.

    The truth is, neither of you are these artists' managers and therefore have no idea if there was a projected increase in sales or not. I think the show proves that if you kick major ass and try to be exceptional, you can see an increase in sales. That's a good thing. It also means people were watching. Which kind of proves the other point.

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    So they spend a few hundred thousand dollars to make ...maybe...20,000.

    Brilliant
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    Your impression of me is neither required nor desired. I don't want to come off as cocky by any means but I have been in the Industry far too long to be concerned with whether You are impressed or not. I am a member of most of the music industry trade organizations and have continued to meet their strict requirements for over a decade, I have nothing to prove or to gain from a debate. The discussion isn't about Me, it was about the NFL. Stick to That.

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    As for the NFL vs The Grammys, do the Grammys require each artist to pay to play for their televised performance? Why would it be acceptable for the NFL, the most successful sports league in North America, to demand that someone pay them to fill otherwise dead air during a half time show?
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    To those that did not believe what I said (as an industry professional) regarding artist benefiting from performing at the Super Bowl - View Both Attachments to see how well it impacted the artists...... I accept your apology.
    OK, let's do some maths here.
    6000 iTunes song sells for Missy Elliott, taken from the first picture you shared makes her well below 6k in income.
    I don't believe that a buy in for a pay to play show of this caliber could be a four digit number,
    so, nope, not recouped, yet.

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    This site is different from many of the others that you might have seen or joined; this isn't one filled with wide-eyed newbies "looking to make it". This place is filled with great producers, mixers, engineers, and musicians that have gold and platinum records on their walls, along with gleaming hardware in their trophy cases, so you can dial it back on pimping your credentials.

    As for the NFL vs The Grammys, do the Grammys require each artist to pay to play for their televised performance? Why would it be acceptable for the NFL, the most successful sports league in North America, to demand that someone pay them to fill otherwise dead air during a half time show?
    The comment was directed at the people (not in the business) who were stubborn to listen to the Facts (read the posts)..

    And yes Grammy performers pay for the stage set. When you see them jumping off of platforms and dropping from the sky, they paid for that. The only thing that is free for the performer is the ticket to the show (which for platinum seating the cost is about $1,200)..
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    OK, let's do some maths here.
    6000 iTunes song sells for Missy Elliott, taken from the first picture you shared makes her well below 6k in income.
    I don't believe that a buy in for a pay to play show of this caliber could be a four digit number,
    so, nope, not recouped, yet.

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    The problem is you dont know how much she is making per album. Not to mention increased sales = increased radio, increased touring, increased value, etc., but since Nielsen SoundScan deals with tracking sales thats why only the sales increase was mentioned.
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    The comment was directed at the people (not in the business) who were stubborn to listen to the Facts (read the posts)..

    And yes Grammy performers pay for the stage set. When you see them jumping off of platforms and dropping from the sky, they paid for that. The only thing that is free for the performer is the ticket to the show (which for platinum seating the cost is about $1,200)..
    Yes, if KISS was playing the Grammys, I'm sure that they'd bring their own stage set-up (which is being used elsewhere). I'm talking about the Grammys charging a fee to perform.

    And which people "not in the business" on this site were you referring to?
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    Yes, if KISS was playing the Grammys, I'm sure that they'd bring their own stage set-up (which is being used elsewhere). I'm talking about the Grammys charging a fee to perform.
    Not a direct payment for performing.
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    Not a direct payment for performing.
    Which the NFL *is* charging....that's my point.
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    So they spend a few hundred thousand dollars to make ...maybe...20,000.

    Brilliant
    Exactly.
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    The problem is you dont know how much she is making per album. Not to mention increased sales = increased radio, increased touring, increased value, etc., but since Nielsen SoundScan deals with tracking sales thats why only the sales increase was mentioned.
    I don't believe that much, if anything was said about album sales. Song sales are not album sales. it takes 10-12 song sales to equal one album.
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    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
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    Katy Perry going from 47,000 albums* the first week for "One Of The Boys" to hoping for 17,000 singles, whose sales would equal, on average, less than 1,700 albums, doesn't seem impressive, "1000% increase" (projected) notwithstanding.

    That may be the result of a combination of things: old songs, streaming alternatives and piracy.

    But IMO it makes it hard to press the case for paying to play.

    What is the NFL's excuse, anyway? Tight budget?

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    *if wiki can be trusted on this...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_of_...ty_Perry_album)
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    Katy Perry going from 47,000 albums* the first week for "One Of The Boys" to hoping for 17,000 singles, whose sales would equal, on average, less than 1,700 albums, doesn't seem impressive, "1000% increase" (projected) notwithstanding.

    That may be the result of a combination of things: old songs, streaming alternatives and piracy.

    But IMO it makes it hard to press the case for paying to play.

    What is the NFL's excuse, anyway? Tight budget?

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    *if wiki can be trusted on this...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_of_...ty_Perry_album)
    he also have to remember that it was proposed they wanted to start charging but it was never decide upon so it is possible that they were not charged to perform. the point is though that silver boosted. whether it is album sales or single sales does not matter, because they both equate to more radio spins with equal more publishing and more sponsorship and endorsements which equals more money in the long run
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    As an aside: I've seen the halftime show, know what artist played (and knew their music from before), but still don't know who played in the finals of the "main entertainment".

    If if they the start p2p we should organize a kick starter for slayer to play there next year.
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    he also have to remember that it was proposed they wanted to start charging but it was never decide upon so it is possible that they were not charged to perform. the point is though that silver boosted. whether it is album sales or single sales does not matter, because they both equate to more radio spins with equal more publishing and more sponsorship and endorsements which equals more money in the long run
    Sure, and no one in here really disputes that.
    The real question is, how expensive such a hich profile buy in would be and whether it is probable that this sum is reallistically recoupable from said benefits.
    I read my numbers wrong in my posting above,
    but nonetheless you have to sell a whole lot of streams and singles to recoup a five/six figure investment these days, for an event that may buy you a four week attention span...
    I guess many artists would be better off to spend said money on making a great record or preparing a great tour.
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