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    Sushi UGH! Organ Failure!

    I don't know what Apple did but their EVB3 is now nothing but problems.The thing is playing on its own now when the playhead is stopped and there's no regions.

    Fortunately, I was able to do an organ transplant with Kontakt's Vintage Organ pack as a willing donor in order to complete a mix. Bloody frustrating, however, because I had to set all of the drawbars on it again.

    Apple better fix this, and keep their hands on my organ in the future!

    Bloody pissed off!

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    You know, I did notice that a few days ago when using the EVB3 controlled by Logic Remote, a note would get stuck. I was able to get it to stop by pulling up a preset.

    Annoying, I know.
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    Haven't run into this? Did you upgrade to Yosemite?

    It's been working peachy here. Latest Logic and Mavericks.
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    Haven't run into this? Did you upgrade to Yosemite?

    It's been working peachy here. Latest Logic and Mavericks.
    Same as you... latest Logic and Mavericks.

    And if it's giving me that type of funky crap, there's no way I'm going to go Yosemite, for fear of something else getting broken.

    I'm not even doing anything on that track. It's just going nuts by itself.

    I'm just glad that Kontakt is able to step in on short notice.

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    Well that's good. I moved to the NI stuff before Logic X and then back to EVB3 after that. Just 'cause I guess....

    I don't really like the stock NI pianos, but I do like their organs.

    Here is something to look at....

    I had trouble occasionally with VSL (Logic 9). What happens is that flutes or strings will get "stuck" and not release, just holding forever, creating cacophony. I discovered that if you go into the list editor, they weren't assigned to midi ch 1, even though it was only one audio inst. channel EXS24, and it was set to 'all'. I switched every event to happen on ch 1 and the problem went away. It happens/happened occasionally. Now that I'm in Logic X I'm using Vienna Instruments.

    Maybe that's what's happening?

    Does that make sense, what I'm saying?
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    I believe that's how I had my organ track on the one song, as I was planning to use channels two and three for the lower drawbars and pedals, but never really did. I'd have to recheck that however, although I'm more unlikely to do so now since I got the mix working with NI's organs. I do have another one of my songs (room for experimentation) that I am using an EVB3 with the track assigned to MIDI channel 1. We'll see how that goes.

    I don't mind NI's pianos. I don't know if I'm going to get their latest collection just to support half-pedalling, though. Thankfully, though, they aren't my main piano library. I picked up the Grand Piano Collection from UVI for a song (no pun intended.. okay, perhaps). Although they don't support half-pedalling and re-pedalling either, I still find it playable. The Japanese Grand (Yamaha) is one of my faves.

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    This freakin' thing!

    im moving to NI until they fix it. It's the same problems with EVB3 not responding to controller data before the the track. So if you've done an Expression move or mod wheel, whatever it stays on where you left off at the punch out.

    i did discover that if you put an actual "dummy" note before you actually want to start that controller data starts responding.

    this is stupid.

    Is there some sort of "Super-organ" sample/modeling library that exists?
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    Is there some sort of "Super-organ" sample/modeling library that exists?
    Yes........ Er, no.

    Get a real hardware organ - Hammond B3, M3 spinet, Korg CX3, lots of alternatives.

    Why would anyone want software, which is unreliable and always needs upgrades/patches/whatever when you can get the real thing which also retains its resale value?

    Yeah, the initial investment is a bit more - but it lasts. And in the long run it's a much better investment.
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    Yes........ Er, no.

    Get a real hardware organ - Hammond B3, M3 spinet, Korg CX3, lots of alternatives.

    Why would anyone want software, which is unreliable and always needs upgrades/patches/whatever when you can get the real thing which also retains its resale value?

    Yeah, the initial investment is a bit more - but it lasts. And in the long run it's a much better investment.
    Dont think I'm not thinking about it!

    i cannot get a real one. Just no where to put it. :-(

    A keyboardist I hire uses one of the new Hammond deals with a little Leslie speaker cabinet thing, made by Leslie. Man it sounds good! I think all in though it's around 3000-3500, so it's got to be a little father down the list right now.

    Software however, is very convenient. I can have it at the house and the studio. Instant recall, blah, blah, blah...

    ...when it works. ;-)
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    The CX-3 is very compact and sounds quite convincing. HERE'S an Ebay listing currently at $530 that closes in 18 hours. Current market price seems to be in the region of $700, give or take....
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    The CX-3 is very compact and sounds quite convincing.
    It does have a few drawbacks, however - one manual, no pedal output and no Leslie output, so it's a little confining (unlike the Nord organ, which on the other hand is rather expensive).

    And although I usually maintain that hardware is the way to go, I'm not sure this is the case here. For several reasons:

    1) the user claims to have little space in which to properly record an organ, which to me requires a real Leslie anyway.

    2) the price difference is likely to be quite significant regardless.

    3) maintenance, depending on what you get, can be costly and cumbersome, which may be fine if you're a frequent organ player, but I'm not sure this is the case here.

    4) software organs like the B4 can actually sound very convincing in situ - provided you have a good player, which I always thought was the main deal breaker with organs. I'd rather have a good player on a mediocre organ sample, than a bad player on a B3.


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    Here's what the keyboard player brought in.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XK3c

    Sonded amazing!

    Software can work in situ, but (to me) lacks "teeth". It doesn't really have that growl or bite.

    If the software just won't do, there's a couple places in town with a real B3, or you can rent. The real deal is huge when it comes down to it!
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    Organ plug-ins often lacks teeth because most often, people tend to use them simply as they are. They're not adding anything to the sound. You should try putting your favourite organ through Logic's pedalboard and amp designer or Guitar Rig and animate a few things in it. Sometimes, it's like discovering new life in those old organs.

    Another thing I do these days when mixing is to use UAD's Studer A800 on the organ track.

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    A couple of years ago, I step-programmed the organ (and all other keyboards), using Logic EVB3 and assorted software synths, for an entire record.


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    A couple of years ago, I step-programmed the organ (and all other keyboards), using Logic EVB3 and assorted software synths, for an entire record.


    otek
    Oh, that sounds painful! Lol
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    I think Otek enjoyed it and he's boasting about it here.

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    I think Otek enjoyed it and he's boasting about it here.

    jord
    Ohhh.

    @otek

    Masochist!
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    We'll just call him Otek the Organ Grinder.

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    I know that organ failure and quick in and outs don't play together.
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    I know that organ failure and quick in and outs don't play together.
    It's nice to see the site back on track!

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