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    Well, I always had soft spot for Coal Chamber. They're kind of strange for me, on one side is pretty straightforward and dumb (the cliche "nu-metal") but lyrical and gothic on the same time. Anyway, that's not what I want to comment on.
    They have a new record out, and while it's definitely them and some songs are cool it left me disappointed sonically.


    Their first record... well just check this:


    a prime example of great raw and ballsy guitar tone for me.


    Their second one is overall great sounding IMO, I like drum tone a lot



    Their third is a bit flat sounding to me, but the guitar tone is brutal



    And now this is new:


    Is it me or guitar just sounds bland? And it's not just them, almost no heavy records left me impressed with the guitar tone. There were some which were aggressive, but they were just noisy. Ones which felt controlled always felt bland. Where did that raw but controlled aggression gone? What's that? Budgetary limitations?
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    I got to see them at an awesome Halloween show way back in 98/99 time frame. It was good.

    At first it was the bass that seemed different. There's a strong low end on that first album. Those guys, Sevendust, Deftones... they all had really beefy bass parts.
    If I listen to Sway vs Light in the Shadows, I hear a difference in the low end, not the guitars as much.
    But as I listened to a song from the self titled album and the new album, the more I started to hear mostly the same sounds/styles.

    It will be hard for me to divorce myself from the good times I had listening to that first album and compare it to the new on. I'm like 15 years different a person. So it doesn't have the same emotional impact.

    Sonic, I more similar things than different ... Bad Blood Between Us could probably be tucked into the first album and it would fit fine.

    I'm glad to see them put out another album.

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    I think my favorite Coal Chamber moment was watching Ono CroMag(RIP) stop the singer of Fury of Five from beating the drummer of CC to death backstage at Dynamo in Eindhoven in the late 90's.

    Ahh me.

    Good times.

    Anyhoo. I don't like the drum sounds on ANY of these records. In a way, they get steadily WORSE with each ensuing record. Just more and more "tupperware in a parking garage" turn of the Century Roadrunner nonsense...

    But you sure can STILL tell the one's that were recorded in legit studios and fucked up in mix, as opposed to the one's that come out of a sample pack.

    CC guitar sounds have always been uniformly and lucidly presented "nu-metal" stuff. Always BETTER than the riffing, as far as I'm concerned.

    On topic. The new record sounds like it was made ENTIRELY in/by a computer.

    Funny... I liked them better when the robots were only THREATENING to take over the Death Star.

    Who woulda thunk?

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    Sounds to me like the guitar is a little buried under the drums and vocals in the new one.
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    On topic. The new record sounds like it was made ENTIRELY in/by a computer.

    Funny... I liked them better when the robots were only THREATENING to take over the Death Star.

    Who woulda thunk?

    SM.
    Do you think that sound came from a fake amplifier even? I mean, its not an earthshaking tone by any means, but if it's fake, fake has come a long way since the last time I tried to mix it.
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    Sounds to me like the guitar is just a little buried under the drums and vocals in the new one.
    Listen on a laptop. There is NO total center in the guitars.

    That is: It is extremely difficult to distinguish the struck pitches in the riffs.

    Typical "guitar midrange management by omission BS".

    The fact that this was EVER "cool" has baffled me ever since I heard Scott Ian's rig at Pyramid in 1985.

    I thought it was DREADFUL.

    Everybody else thought it was "Brutal maannnn".

    Sigh.

    Brutal on the ears. That's for certain.

    Spent my entire career battling against various flavors of that shit.

    A losing battle I might add.

    Totally got my ass kicked.

    HOHOHO, but I really DID get my ass kicked.

    Ohh God.

    I shoulda just went with it.

    Really wish I had. Things woulda went better for me.

    Maybe.


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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    Do you think that sound came from a fake amplifier even? I mean, its not an earthshaking tone by any means, but if it's fake, fake has come a long way since the last time I tried to mix it.
    Ohh... I dunno. I'd hafta get the Grado's out.

    Fuck that... I'm in St. Martin on the laptop.

    I'm too lazy and ambivalent to even bother to get the fucking earbuds plugged in.

    HOHOHO. But true.

    Anyhoo. I'll take your word for it. All good.

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    How do you decide to be ambivalent or not? Just asking.
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    I tracked and mixed a record last year where the guitar player INSISTED that his tone was BADASS.

    It was a modeling amp.

    I tried for as long as he would let me (maybe an hour?) but could not find a place to put a microphone that I didn't absolutely hate. The guitar player loved it.

    Then I mixed the record, spending 75% of my time on it trying to get that guitar to not suck somehow. I never succeeded, and I can't stand to listen to it to this day. The band allegedly loves it, everyone's happy.

    All I'm saying is this CC tone we're talking about is way better than that was.

    But that wasn't even a "heavy" band really.

    Even with real amps I've had some pretty stupid moments. There was the Christian metal band whose singer (a youth minister) stiffed me for $500 and whose guitar player - upon receiving my advice to back off the gain and the bass so as to allow some midrange clarity - walked over to his (actually my Mesa Rectifier, because he had brought a line 6 modeling amp to the session) amp and FAKED turning the knobs.

    I wish the hell those idiots believed in was real sometimes...
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    Anyhoo. I don't like the drum sounds on ANY of these records. In a way, they get steadily WORSE with each ensuing record. Just more and more "tupperware in a parking garage" turn of the Century Roadrunner nonsense...
    I kinda like drum tone on Chamber Music. Although snare could be a little louder... um... like 10dB louder

    On topic. The new record sounds like it was made ENTIRELY in/by a computer.
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    I just listened again, and I concur with your assessment of the guitar tones - the first and third being relatively cool and the final one a little plasticky (maybe some sort of emulation as Slipperman implied, maybe an Axe-FX, which may be a little better than the others...)

    Except I really hate the second one - just my taste, it was certainly intended to sound obnoxious.
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    What puzzles me, is that a lot of bands seem to prefer this type of tone. Even in cases when budget should not be that big of a problem.
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    What puzzles me, is that a lot of bands seem to prefer this type of tone. Even in cases when budget should not be that big of a problem.
    They think they're being "modern". Spend some time on the guitar forum at The Purple Place - you'll understand.
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    Or maybe decisions are made when people are in a hurry. I know that accounts for a lot of less than stellar sounds in my history.
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    Or maybe decisions are made when people are in a hurry. I know that accounts for a lot of less than stellar sounds in my history.
    Or, OTOH, made as a result of somebody overthinking it to death.....
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    The overall sonic presentation reminds me a bit of some of the earlier Korn stuff: Drums are bone dry with that cracky snare, guitars hard panned and sort of sludgy/indistinct, bass clicky, vocals also bone dry and up front.

    [EDIT: I realized I didn't read the OP carefully enough: I was referencing the topmost video. Now I get what Meloco was driving at, and I agree.]

    And regardless of some shortcomings, I think American metal productions still seem to yield the most unique and interesting sounds. European (especially Swedish) current metal releases, by contrast, are often more "fake" sounding. You can sometimes tell exactly which sample library and which modeling amps were used.


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    I see your Coal Chamber and I raise you Labyrinth, by Fleshgod Apocalypse.
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    Typical "guitar midrange management by omission BS".

    The fact that this was EVER "cool" has baffled me ever since I heard Scott Ian's rig at Pyramid in 1985.

    I thought it was DREADFUL.
    I"m so with you

    it continues to fascinate me that this, what is ostensibly the most 'rebellious' and anti-establishment of music types, stuff is probably the most conformist and afraid to be sonically adventurous of any 'genre'.

    it's like they all have to put on the same sonic school uniform

    the fact that it's an ugly uniform doesn't help
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    I"m so with you

    it continues to fascinate me that this, what is ostensibly the most 'rebellious' and anti-establishment of music types, stuff is probably the most conformist and afraid to be sonically unadventurous of any 'genre'.

    it's like they all have to put on the same sonic school uniform

    the fact that it's an ugly uniform doesn't help
    Er, you meant to say "afraid to be sonically adventurous ", right?

    Or perhaps "the most conformist and sonically unadventurous"?

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    Clearly a line 6. No debate.

    I haven't worked with a (I NEED TO USE THIS PIECE OF SHIT BECAUSE IT'S MINE AND I'M THE BEST) band in a while now. I'm probably due....... But I think I've become very good at getting people to use gear that's not their own, where it's necessary. I think that coincides with me getting better/recognizable gear around for them to chose from.


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    "Perfect" performances. Like computer perfect, seem to lack emotional import. I don't think I'm alone in thinking this.
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