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    On the bright side you could use them as 4x12 bass cabs if you wanted. They would work better as clean-sound bass cabs and give you more low extension. Doesn't make them a go-to for bass cabs but I'm surprised this hasn't come up. I certainly haven't tried it. Are they also horrible as bass cabs?
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    awful

    in the same ways.
    a Hiwatt 4x12 is a fine bass cab, Mesa is not.

    some of the Mesa 1x15 or 2x15 cabs for bass aren't awful.
    but they're not great either.
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    I wonder if my disliking the Orange cabs is due to the same phenomenon. I have always heard them as excessively fizzy.
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    Same thing.

    Heavy as fuck.

    Should sound great.

    Sound like cock and balls.

    Had some guy from a stoner band get seriously angry at a staff member over this.

    We gave him the old "lets track one of your cab and one of the Marshall and see how that sounds".

    Followed by the old, "Hey, can't hurt to just check a PAIR of Marshall against what we got with one each of the Orange and Marshall".

    End of game.

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    What is the major difference of the original mesa heads?
    I couldn't tell you exactly what goes on under the hood, but the second revision added the "solo boost" function and a few other doodads. They sound radically different, to my ears. Much trashier, sort of a "broken" quality to the distortion that I don't care for at all. The original design is what you hear on e.g. the Dogman album by King's X. The 2010 revamp sounds a little better to me than the 1997-8(?) one. But the original is still better in my opinion.


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    I couldn't tell you exactly what goes on under the hood, but the second revision added the "solo boost" function and a few other doodads. They sound radically different, to my ears. Much trashier, sort of a "broken" quality to the distortion that I don't care for at all. The original design is what you hear on e.g. the Dogman album by King's X. The 2010 revamp sounds a little better to me than the 1997-8(?) one. But the original is still better in my opinion.


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    I had a late nineties model Dual Rec and I have to agree. Our later model Triple Rec sounded horrible by comparison. Could never get a decent sound out of it.

    I actually turned my back on all things Mesa Rectifier. Decided they just weren't the amp for me. Clean channel generally sucked to the point of being unusable. The orange channel was a mediocre crunch and the only channel ever worth using was the red. So you had all these "tone" options but it was essentially a one trick pony.

    Now I have my Laney GH100L through my '73 Marshall cab and I never looked back. Single channel lead head with a gain boost and creamy 55Hz Creamback goodness.

    That Laney can give me way more tones to work with than the Mesa ever did.

    Haven't heard a lot of their other amps but I pretty much think at this point most of their amps - to use weedy's highly technical analogy - blow.

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    What is the major difference of the original mesa heads?
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    I couldn't tell you exactly what goes on under the hood, but the second revision added the "solo boost" function and a few other doodads. They sound radically different, to my ears. Much trashier, sort of a "broken" quality to the distortion that I don't care for at all. The original design is what you hear on e.g. the Dogman album by King's X. The 2010 revamp sounds a little better to me than the 1997-8(?) one. But the original is still better in my opinion.


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    I've tried researching this before, but it always confuses me. AFAIK they made several revisions to the older 2 channel versions before coming out with the 3 channel version - which I thought was when the "solo boost" was added. It seems like what you are calling the "original version" is the 2 channel version, but I've heard they can sound pretty different too, with some people claiming the first 500 or so are the best, etc...****

    Oh well, thanks for the info. I'll check out the King's X album, I don't know it.****
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    FWIW I opened up my dual rectifier, I have a Rev G from 1996. Does this qualify as a "good" one? I guess I've never heard any of the newer ones to compare.
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    i never cared for the 4 x 12s I use to have a couple of 2 x 12s that were closed back I liked.
    I do like the 4 x 10 cab I have in the studio it's a half open half closed cab.

    Have an off brand 4 x 12 cab, others like but still not for me.
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    I had a late nineties model Dual Rec and I have to agree. Our later model Triple Rec sounded horrible by comparison. Could never get a decent sound out of it.
    I'm confused, or maybe we just disagree.

    A "late 90s" Recto would be the second version of the amp, which to me sounds far worse than the original model which originated in 1991. I used to own a head made in the summer of 1993, which sounded great.

    If you had a "later [than the late 90s] model Triple Rectifier", it would have had to be the 2010 revision. Which to my ears sounds a bit better. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding? FWIW I always preferred the Duals to the Triples.

    It seems like what you are calling the "original version" is the 2 channel version, but I've heard they can sound pretty different too, with some people claiming the first 500 or so are the best, etc...
    There's a bunch of mythology floating around, and I am not sure what is true. I know that what I call the "original" version (1991-1997/8?) came out in half a dozen different versions, with minor tweaks.

    FWIW I opened up my dual rectifier, I have a Rev G from 1996. Does this qualify as a "good" one? I guess I've never heard any of the newer ones to compare.
    AFAIK, that would be one of the later versions of the "original".


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    My early 90's Dual Recto (with the outer power tubes removed) through a Marshall 1960B sounds so sweet that it makes people think I can play guitar.

    I store the rig at a friend's studio. Whenever I take it out for a gig, they're on the phone the next day asking when they can have it back.
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    My experience with Orange, Mesa and Sonar matches Slippy's exactly! I've never heard anything sound as good as a Hiwatt driven by a Fender Bassman head that's sitting right on it. Closest was a Marshall 50.
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    I've had this dual rectifier/ Marshall 1960A half stack since I played regularly semi-professionally, maybe 9/11 years ago.

    Six years ago I was no longer doing that and I held a cancer benefit concert for a good friend of mine. The mesa was used at some point, and presumably dropped at some other point. It was fucked up. But I didn't play electric guitar much then so I didn't worry about it.

    Fast forward to now, I'm getting back into playing electric guitar, and going back to my roots a bit to try make a good punk/grunge type of album, and I thought the mesa would be great for that.

    So I bought all new tubes, remembered it was actually broken, had a friend I play music with fix it, and it was good to go. Sounded great to me, I sounded like a better guitar player.

    Yesterday was the first day I got to play it again, and I let it run all day. After an hour or two it sounded kinda like what I remembered. Then last night lightning struck a transformer in my back yard, and the power was out until today. Fried a tv or two, and various other electronics in the house.

    Thankfully the the amp survived, but I can't help but wonder if this is the universe trying to tell me something. I ditched electric guitar for acoustic guitar years ago.
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    I'm confused, or maybe we just disagree.

    A "late 90s" Recto would be the second version of the amp, which to me sounds far worse than the original model which originated in 1991. I used to own a head made in the summer of 1993, which sounded great.

    If you had a "later [than the late 90s] model Triple Rectifier", it would have had to be the 2010 revision. Which to my ears sounds a bit better. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding? FWIW I always preferred the Duals to the Triples.
    Sorry for the confusion.

    I must admit I can't remember the exact years. The dual rectifier was definitely the first release version though. It was a little beat up and third hand by the time I got it in 2002 and being that I was far more up to speed with amp releases at that time I recall noting when the second revision came out (a few years before I got mine, of course). The one I had was old and could have well been from the early nineties. I don't have it anymore so I can't verify that but I'm 90% certain.

    The triple rectifier was bought in the UK prior to 2002 by my studio partner (not sure when, might have been late nineties or the turn of the millennium) so it couldn't have been the 2010 model. I think it was the second gen release of the amp to my knowledge, which would have been built on the second gen technology that went into the dual rectifier.

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    The new mini cabs sound quite respectable, but then tone is in the fingers!
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    Heads. I'm not aware of any major design changes to the cabs (which is not to say there haven't been any), but the heads have gone through two major design changes, one IIRC around 1997 or so, and one in 2010. To my ears, the latest revision is far better than the previous, but not as good as the original.



    I wonder if my disliking the Orange cabs is due to the same phenomenon. I have always heard them as excessively fizzy.


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    Interesting. I'd posted something about my struggle/dislike of my Mesa cab elsewhere. It's a 2x12 and I have a horrible time getting it to sound good. However, I'd made some earlier recordings w/ a Framus 4x12 with v30's in it and those tracks sound like pure butter.

    When I tried to use the Framus cab in a live situation though, the Mesa sounded better which is how I ended up keeping it.

    What cabs do you guys like the best?
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    FWIW I opened up my dual rectifier, I have a Rev G from 1996. Does this qualify as a "good" one? I guess I've never heard any of the newer ones to compare.
    Sounds and feels substantially different. I've got a late 90's model and it and the 3 channel are worlds apart. At the same time; the 3 channel is good too; it's just different. I can cover Tool/Chevelle/hard-rock stuff all day with it; but if you want to do fast metal with it, you've GOT to have a boost. This was my first Rec and it really confused me why this was so, when I'd seen bands like BTBAM playing stock Rectos with no OD. So, now I have this late 90's model and it is ticked off and mean. A boost actually sucks some of the metal out of it. It's thick, and dark, and brutal. It's a great time.

    My perfect "hard" amp would have one channel of the orange/vintage channel on the 3 channel, and another channel with that grinding death found only in the red channel of the 90's Dual Rec.
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    What cabs do you guys like the best?

    good Marshall 4x12s are always a staple; but you have to pick and choose. They can be very hit or miss.

    the one always great cab to me is the Hiwatt 4x12 with Fanes... but they're not exactly easy to find anymore.


    and for a lot of less "heavy" sounds, can''t beat the original Vox 2x12 open back with celestial 'blue' speakers
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    Any opinions concerning the Marshall 1960A vs the Marshall 2551A Silver Jubilee?
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    Never mind; I've discovered there are many versions of the 1960A, and they seem to sound radically different from one another. I guess I will have to break down and haul my dual rec out to Music Go Round to try them out.

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