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    Paul McCartney's band is on tour.

    Paul McCartney and his band are in town tonight.

    The McCartneys (Paul & Nancy) are attending the benefit next week.
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    Paul McCartney's band is on tour.

    are on tour
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    No.

    Band is.There's only one band on the tour.

    Band MEMBERS are. There are several members in the band.

    ENRON is being investigated for fraud. Enron is a company, a single entity.

    ENRON, Ken Lay, and Jeffrey Skilling were indicted. Enron (the company), Lay, and Skilling are each separate legal entities.
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    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
    Hey, if I'm Grumpy, where the hell is Snow White????
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    You guys am need a new hobby.
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    Nah, grammar is fun – and even a job, for idiots like me.

    Whether to treat bands as singular or plural is in fact a question of style. The Guardian and Observer style guide for instance has this:

    singular or plural?
    Corporate entities take the singular: eg The BBC has decided (not "have"). In subsequent references make sure the pronoun is singular: "It [not "they"] will press for an increase in the licence fee."

    Sports teams and rock bands are the exception – "England have an uphill task" is OK, as is "Nirvana were overrated"
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    Steely Dan are a blight
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    Dutch Elm Disease is a blight.

    Hey, that's a good name for a band!
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    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
    Hey, if I'm Grumpy, where the hell is Snow White????
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    The English cricket team are inept.
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    The Beatles is playing tonight.
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    Johnny Oklahoma are on tour.
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    Nah, grammar is fun – and even a job, for idiots like me.

    Whether to treat bands as singular or plural is in fact a question of style. The Guardian and Observer style guide for instance has this:

    singular or plural?
    Corporate entities take the singular: eg The BBC has decided (not "have"). In subsequent references make sure the pronoun is singular: "It [not "they"] will press for an increase in the licence fee."

    Sports teams and rock bands are the exception – "England have an uphill task" is OK, as is "Nirvana were overrated"
    In the UK and probably not going back more than 40 years (read Ken Scott's book). In American papers, a band or a team is considered a single unit.

    I'll admit that we spell words rawng by removing the u from colour and humour, etc., and changing 's' to 'z' here and there. This was done to annoy the British. The UK may as well admit that it bollixes the subject of the sentence on purpose to annoy America.

    "A band are playing" just sounds dreadfully wrong to my ear.
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    The UK may az well admit that it bollixes the subject of the sentenze on purpoze to annoy America.
    'The Yankees are flying to LA... they are flying in their private plane.'
    'The team are flying in their private jet'

    same
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    Most sports teams have a plural name so 'are' is correct.

    A team are going to the playoffs doesn't sound right, though.

    This is true unless you're saying the name of the team and the name is plural: "The Dodgers have won the World Series." (Compare: "UCLA (sing.) has won the game.")

    http://forum.wordreference.com/threa...am-are.198613/
    This is a tricky one. It is always helpful to see some kind of context for a grammatical question, but I will try to give you a general answer.

    The general rule for collective nouns like team, family, committee, etc., is to use the singular verb to show that the group is considered as one unit: Our team (it) is playing today.
    The commitee (it) has reached a decision.

    The plural verb can be used to emphasize the individual members of the group:
    The italian team (they) are the world champions.
    The committee (they) have reached a decision.

    This latter usage is often confusing even for native speakers.

    It can be confusing on one hand because in english, the singular and plural form of the verb are often the same:
    The committee (it) came to a decision.
    The committee (they) came to a decision.
    The team (it) arrived home today.
    The team (they) arrived home today.

    Often we get around this confusion by adding the word "members" to the sentence:
    The committee members have reached a decision.
    The team members arrived home today.

    It can also be confusing because of differences in usage in Briitsh English or in American English, or even regional differences.

    I hope you find this explanation useful.
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    A team are going to the playoffs doesn't sound right, though.

    does
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    I think a lot of what sounds right or not boils down to the usage you're accustomed to.

    I think Britain seems more concerned with consistency.


    I have no idea how some words became Americanized and others didn't.


    But it doesn't really make sence to spell excercise one way and criticize another.


    And within that one word, the z is reverted to 's' for the last example:

    criticized criticizing criticism


    with regards to institutions, likewise:

    British:

    go to school
    go to hospital
    go to university

    America:

    go to school
    go to the hospital
    go to college "while I was at college"
    go to a university "While I was at the university"

    The addition or omission of an article seems arbitrary to me, at least in these examples. Russians seem to do fine without them.

    "We must find moose and squirrel!"
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    Meanwhile, the 3rd Test in this Ashes series starts on Wednesday at Edgbaston...a ground the Australians have not done well at over the years.

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    I think Britain seems more concerned with speaking English."

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    Always be meticulous from the prepositions.
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    while riding a dead horse...
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