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    Bob,
    in your opinion does Apple even have deep enough pockets to lobby against cockroaches like this?

    http://m.billboard.com/entry/view/id/143310

    and why does billboard even give f***s like this facetime?
    his reason for creating the app: 'one day I went for a road trip and pandora didn't play songs I like. Tried spotify but I didn't like the ads'

    really?

    f***ing really?

    when will someone in a position to change things stand up to these "indigo" (or is it crystal?) brats?!?

    sorry, rant over.
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    'one day I went for a road trip and pandora didn't play songs I like. Tried spotify but I didn't like the ads'
    I'm sorry but..

    jesus FUCKING christ.

    (actually he says Pandora wouldn't "load" and Spotify "served him ads" he wasn't interested in)

    The narcissism and entitlement are completely out of control. He is dodging every caveat put in place by actual artists and creators, and insisting that because he's not technically 'stealing', then it's ok.

    If he actually paid for the goddamn music then he'd own it and it would work everywhere. He just wants to come up with another Napster. I have never seen a more perfect example of how a new millenial almost literally shits on the face of real artists, all while claiming they're 'fans' of music.

    No, he's a fan of 'stuff' and 'having stuff' for free so he can spend his lunch money on lattes and designer shoes. Goddamn asshole.


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    I say we kill them. All of them. No prisoners.

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    How will it pay rights holders? Are you planning on securing licensing deals?
    Not at this moment. Considering our primary focus is for it to be an offline music player -- the search functionality is just one feature, and not a primary feature. We built it for content that's already on your device. We don't plan on going after licensing deals, we use those third party APIs, so we would just be re-licensing that data.
    So basically this app lets you download the music for free, listen to it whenever and wherever you want, online or not just like you owned the files and all of this for free and without paying a dime to rights holders.
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    Can't cradle yer smartass phone with no hands!

    What can we do (until the great blackout of 2020, where all digital data on earth will simply vanish in an instant) about this tidal wave of people who JUST DON'T GET IT?

    Is it too little too late for legislation? Or maybe after these idiots realize they've chewed through the hull of the boat can we expect a "dark DARK age" for music?

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    I don't think the right legislation would be too little or too late. All it would take is a very slight shifting of accountability for online copyright violations and it would be a different world, in my opinion.
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    Can't cradle yer smartass phone with no hands!

    What can we do (until the great blackout of 2020, where all digital data on earth will simply vanish in an instant) about this tidal wave of people who JUST DON'T GET IT?

    Is it too little too late for legislation? Or maybe after these idiots realize they've chewed through the hull of the boat can we expect a "dark DARK age" for music?
    No, it is NOT too late for legislation. However it might be too late for honest legislators who value human right above their own pockets.
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    If you were to receive a cease-and-desist, what would your reaction be?

    Ignore it.
    His ignorance is no match for the law.

    That was quick: The free streaming music app Aurous has suspended operations just days after its launch to comply with a restraining order issued on behalf of the Recording Association of America (RIAA).

    The music trade group filed a lawsuit against Aurous earlier this week, alleging that the application “blatantly infringes” the rights of major labels and their artists. As part of that lawsuit, the RIA had asked for a temporary restraining order to shut down Aurous, which a Florida court subsequently granted.

    Aurous took its app offline late Thursday, but the app makers said on Twitter that their lawyers are “actively working to secure our place in the music eco system,” adding: “Rest assured we want to be around a long time.”

    http://variety.com/2015/digital/news...er-1201619842/
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    As long as there are still coders ignorant enough to think that Safe Harbor means you get to bring in a super tanker full of stolen music...

    To that I have to say: Major labels need to adopt to new standards.
    And there's no shortage of arrogant pricks hoping to eliminate copyright through tech fiat.
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    Are you familiar with the situation between Sony and SoundCloud?
    When you step into a minefield, you can expect to get a little hurt. But we're not hosting anything, we're decentralized, similar to BitTorrent, so we can share data without hosting it. Nothing goes through our servers. Everything is a user request, initiated by the user. We're simply providing an interface.
    Translation:

    "We're not committing crimes ourselves, we are merely aiding and abetting on a massive scale"
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    It seems like that app is taking music that was already online on other streaming platforms. If it was put there by the content creators I don't see a huge problem, but of course they should be able to opt out if they choose.

    The bigger problem I see is this, from the article:

    The app has ... garnered pre-emptive ire from the for-profit piracy watchdog Rightscorp...
    Does anyone else see a problem with a for-profit 'anti-piracy' group? If their business model depends on illegal file sharing, what incentive do they actually have to eliminate it? It makes the whole thing seem like a joke to me.
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    Does anyone else see a problem with a for-profit 'anti-piracy' group? If their business model depends on illegal file sharing, what incentive do they actually have to eliminate it? It makes the whole thing seem like a joke to me.
    If they actually eliminated it, they could mothball Rightscorp and pivot to something else.

    But I don't see them as eliminating piracy, which I believe is impossible and unnecessary. It is only necessary to curtail piracy by making it potentially costly.

    There will still be piracy since people know they if they're caught, it won't be some terrible punishment; pay your $20 and stop infringing. If the infringer keeps it up, those $20 fines start to add up.

    When the ISP notifies its subscriber of an infringement (by passing along Rightscorp’s notice), the customer is advised that based on current laws, the user who receives a notice is liable for up to $150,000 in damages. But if they click on the link supplied, the customer is able to remit payment to Rightscorp who passes on a percentage to the copyright owner and the particular instance of copyright infringement can be settled between them and the copyright owner quickly and affordably.

    http://www.rightscorp.com/notices/notices-overview
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    ...they could mothball Rightscorp and pivot to something else.
    That doesn't seem very realistic for them to want to do that if they already have a profitable business established.
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    Does anyone else see a problem with a for-profit 'anti-piracy' group? If their business model depends on illegal file sharing, what incentive do they actually have to eliminate it? It makes the whole thing seem like a joke to me.
    Maybe a little problem. Definitely not the 'bigger problem'.

    Plus they can't eliminate it. But we still have exterminators even though they can't eliminate all the pests in the world.
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    Maybe a little problem. Definitely not the 'bigger problem'.
    I don't agree. If the people who are supposed to be stopping a problem are invested in keeping the problem alive, that is a bigger problem than any one offender.
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    If the police (not the band) could eliminate all crime, could they then all retire and/or do something else?

    Do you think that exterminators need to seed neighborhoods with termites?

    Nobody can "stop the problem". If Google would give the government permission to enforce copyright, starting with forcing Google to stop aiding and abetting, and profiting from, piracy on a massive scale, this type of company might be superfluous. In the meantime, "content providers" are looking for something to create a bottleneck in piracy traffic.
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    Those analogies are irrelevant. My point is, is the situation better or worse with a for-profit "watchdog"? I think it is worse.
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    The subject itself may be irrelevant.

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/bu...gs-report-2014
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    Those analogies are irrelevant. My point is, is the situation better or worse with a for-profit "watchdog"? I think it is worse.
    No way. Anything that discourages piracy is an improvement. However I do question whether a $20 "fine" is a sufficient disincentive to be effective, given the odds of an offender actually being caught in the first place.

    I'd think that something along the lines of $100 or more would be more likely to have an effect.
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    A side note to that article is that Canada has apparently enacted a de facto legalization of piracy by adopting a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" system of "educational" infringement messages that carry no penalty coupled with a $5,000 cap on damages paid for a total of all infringements, which is significantly less than the cost of pursuing a case in court.

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