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    So-
    I think I've finally had my fill of Tapeop... Over the last few years (since I've been lurking here, oddly enough) my interest in my bi monthly subscription to Tapeop has waned.


    Is it possible I just don't share the same mindset anymore?


    For example, here is an excerpt from the interview with Glyn Johns... Mr Johns is responding to Larry's observation that 'Pandora's box has been opened' regarding excessive overdubbing and decision deferment in the digital age...


    GJ- .....all the great vocal performances that you or I ever heard were sung with maybe the odd line put in because someone was flat or whatever.


    LC- I see it as both, sometimes. Being able to save six different takes, and pick and choose, sometimes opens up that creative door too.


    GJ- I don't see that at all. Who's creative? The person putting it together?


    LC- Sometimes.


    GJ- That's bullshit




    I just checked the Tapeop message board and sure enough someone has already decided GJ is "crotchety"...


    I had to double check that LC was the interviewer here, because I couldn't believe the reactions to GJ's statements. I know Larry is a member here so I am not saying anything I wouldn't say directly to him, but what gives?


    I always thought Tapeop was supposed to be about getting you through the start up period of recording....

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    Well he IS crotchety to say the least.

    But it that doesn't mean he's wrong.

    And yes it's true that manipulation can be 'creative' too.
    But he is right that it is a question as to WHOSE alleged creativity the public is interested in.
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    It's a good interview. I think the stuff about stitching together takes being 'creative' is on point. It's not creative. The same way nailing together boards into a cube doesn't make you the designer of a house.

    It's a sign of the times - there's an emphasis on making the guy in charge of the gear a creative component of the process. Maybe there are a lot of 'producers' who feel it gives them creative control without having to learn the discipline of an instrument.

    The stuff Glyn Johns is saying is nothing new, but there's a new sort of pushback against what he's saying. The idea that the producer isn't as important as the artist seems to offend a lot of producers. But a real producer may not even play an instrument. So you kind of have to see where he is coming from, which is a fairly crochety (but accurate) assesment of the industry, and yet also see that it doesn't benefit Larry's magazine for Johns to intimate that the entire concept of recording is sort of overblown (which it is).
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    Creative? I thought it was modus operandi (in the same way I think ottotune never is MO).

    Anyone who is routinely banning vocal comping from their tool box?
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    Tape Op runs the gamut from Bandcamp Boiz to crotchety old fux.

    I tend to prefer the records made by the latter. Also I self-identify as crotchety.

    I think of creativity as a matter of degree. I think of comping a vocal more as first aid than writing the song. The singer knows how the song goes, just didn't nail it.

    I think Crane sometimes sets himself up with some of these questions.

    LC: Are you proud of having a son so talented?

    GJ: No. Of course I am, you twat!



    I'm reading the rest of the interview the way it should be done which is while sipping a glass of Huygue Delirium Tremens at a local pub
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    I spent a couple of hours tonight editing a clusterfuck that resulted from a drummer chasing a click, and the rest of the band sometimes staying with him in his fluctuations, and sometimes not - because the bass guitar was live, but the guitar and vocals were overdubbed.

    Then I moved on to tuning up a doubled lap steel part that was overdubbed as an afterthought without much practice and as a result was excruciatingly out of tune.

    That's not creative work, it's just drudgery.

    I have not worked with many bands who can really deliver the goods with everyone ending up with a take they can love at the same time. I've worked with two as a matter of fact, and that was enough to convince me; it's definitely better all around that way.
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    I liked the GJ interview and, in general, I like Tape Op just fine. In recent years it has focused on interviews with people talking about their respective crafts. That's pretty much the only useful thing you can put into a pro-audio magazine issue after issue - much better than reading what career magazine writers have to say about the process of making records, IMHO.
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    I can vouch for GJ being a curmudgeon, but as Weedy says, that doesn't make him wrong. In fact, I think he's right about a lot of stuff. Who's performance is it, anyways?
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    The interesting thing about curmudgeons is that any one of us can begin a sentence and another can finish it.
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    The interesting thing about curmudgeons is that any one of us
    can begin a sentence and another can finish it.
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    I can finish anybody's sentence. Not necessarily to their liking, though

    I'm pretty fluent at curmudgeonese
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    Curmudgeonnaise. Great for grumpy tuna on rye.

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