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    Default Amp trade #2

    So, continuing on.
    Now I can trade (my evh 5150 iii) for a Barron dhg k88 or possibly a orange th100. (If he likes how the evh plays with his pedals)
    The baron is really likes by some, and the build looks good. (And I'm a sucker for small shops like this)
    On the other hand the Orange is a known commodity and could easily be traded or sold in the future.
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    So, continuing on.
    Now I can trade (my evh 5150 iii) for a Barron dhg k88 or possibly a orange th100. (If he likes how the evh plays with his pedals)
    The baron is really likes by some, and the build looks good. (And I'm a sucker for small shops like this)
    On the other hand the Orange is a known commodity and could easily be traded or sold in the future.
    I haven't heard it, but that Baron looks really nice, and it's hand wired, point to point, which is a big plus in my book. If you like the way it sounds, go for it!
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    I'm leaning towards the Baron for sure.
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    The new Orange amps are all mass produced PC board construction, nothing like the originals on which mark's reputation is based. I see stuff from people who really like them and from from people don't think so much of them. My impression from the Purple Place guitar forum is that most of those who like them are younger guys with a general metal-ish orientation, but not necessarily all diehard metalheads. Older/more experienced guys, regardless of musical bent, don't seem particularly impressed.

    I don't really believe that your concerns about reselling a boutique amp are entirely justified any more - boutique amps are getting pretty popular. My general impression (as an observer) is that boutique amps probably hold their value a bit better, possibly subject to geographical location and the number of guitar players in your area.
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    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
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    Orange amps seemed - for a while at least down here - to be the amp of choice for the indier-than-thou crowd.

    I've never been a fan of Orange amps regardless of construction method, but you should certainly form your own opinions.

    Giraffe, I wouldn't go for the Orange simply because of brand recognition, or how easily it would be to on-sell.

    If you're looking for a great amp, go try a bunch then buy the one you like best and that meets your sonic ideals and aspirations, regardless of name or reputation.

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    I have a friend who owns an Orange Matamp (ca. 1968 IIRC), with the serial #0003. It sounds pretty damn good, but it has nothing to do whatsoever with the new ones sonically. He also has some sort of hand-wired, modern Orange w/o master volume that sounds good - it's all over the Deer Cathedral tracks I produced (search forum), but mostly in rather non-traditional setups (nylon-string acoustic, etc.), so I don't know how helpful that is as a reference.

    The master volume ones are often sort of fizzy to my ears, and I have a sneaking suspicion that their rigid cabinets might have something to do with it.


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    This may be less than useful, but I love my Micro Terror. It's a hybrid tube pre, ss power. Only 20 watts.
    I get a mild distortion/crunch that I really like from it. Sounds good with either my 1x12 Swamp Thang or my 1x10 $7 chinese something-or-another-junk-find.

    It's far from a nice, hand crafted thing. But maybe it speaks to the idea that Orange isn't just a metal-ish amp company. I like it as a swampy/bluesy rock amp. Do with that what you will.

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    ...maybe it speaks to the idea that Orange isn't just a metal-ish amp company.
    The idea that Orange would be "metal-ish" is fairly new, as they have become gradually associated with some metal bands since the manufacturer re-launched in the late '90s. The original Orange amps were a typical Brit non-master volume type of deal (albeit with unconventional tone controls), though never as coveted tonally as, say, a Hiwatt or a Vox - even though they were used by some very famous players, like Jimmy Page.

    There are also many Orange models, and far from all of them are high-gain amps - I don't find the sound to be typical for metal amps, at least not in the way you would hear it from something like e.g. an Engl or a Krank.


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    Orange amps can, generally speaking, swoggle my sweaty balls.

    Even the coveted "MattAmp" era ones.

    Buncha fucking grainy hype bullshit.

    The speaker cabs. prove only one thing.

    It is possible to construct the world heaviest enclosure...

    Only to find out it sounds like cock and balls.

    I have spoken.


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    Hahaha. Nice.

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    Orange amps can, generally speaking, swoggle my sweaty balls.
    I agree on everything you said, including the cabinets being too rigid (that's my reverse take on the Obama anger translator ), except some of the old Orange amps did sound good to me. I think the new ones have gotten way too much hype, and their various "tiny" amps, in my opinion, are all the rage simply because they look cool and people can afford them.


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    Well, I was all excited about that baron, but dude just strung me along for a couple weeks and flaked, so back to square one.
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    I always thought the originals were poor Hiwatt copies...
    then the 'alt' crowd embraced them for the reasons they found Jazzmasters and Mustangs and Melody Mkers and other things that became cool simply because they were previously (rightly) unpopular.

    the re-issues went from "bad hiwatt" to "awful who-knows-what"
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    Weedy, have you tried any of the new Reeves amplifiers?


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    I agree on everything you said, including the cabinets being too rigid (that's my reverse take on the Obama anger translator ), except some of the old Orange amps did sound good to me. I think the new ones have gotten way too much hype, and their various "tiny" amps, in my opinion, are all the rage simply because they look cool and people can afford them.


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    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
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    I heard a Reeves 100 and it seems faithful.
    But it's every bit as expensive as finding a used actual Hiwatt dr103

    and the originals are built to military spec (read as: like tanks) so are reliable still
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    I had a Dual Terror show up at one of the rehearsal spaces we use. It was in place one of their (knackered) '70's Marshall small logo heads.

    It wasn't to my taste. Generic modern metal-ish tones to my ears. Nothing like the ones I remember guys using back in the day in the UK.

    On a similar "new amps with old brand names" note, at another rehearsal space I frequent, their usual glorious Engl Blackmore Sig. had been replaced by a Vox Nighttrain 50W head & cab. Again, I was distinctly underwhelmed.

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    I've only used ENGL amps a couple of times, but I've been pleasantly surprised in each occasion. I wish they were easier to get a hold of (physically) on this continent.
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    I've only used ENGL amps a couple of times, but I've been pleasantly surprised in each occasion. I wish they were easier to get a hold of (physically) on this continent.
    They are kind of one-trick ponies, in my book. They have a credible, slightly on the fizzy side high gain that works well for what it is. Haven't found much use for them aside from that.


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    They are kind of one-trick ponies, in my book. They have a credible, slightly on the fizzy side high gain that works well for what it is. Haven't found much use for them aside from that.
    otek
    That explains. Both times I needed high-gain tones (didn't even bothered trying out the clean channel).
    It looks like nowadays it's kinda hard to find a (mass-produced, recently manufactured) amp that can sound good both clean and dirty. And I agree that many dirty amps I've tried in recent years are a little (or a lot) heavy on the fizzy side.
    I did like a Suhr (Badger) amp I tried recently. And they're not that crazy expensive compared to the rest of the "boutique" stuff.
    Okay, I'm starting to ramble. Time for my bowl of cereal. *out*

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