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    I'm just about done making an AC30, and it's time to buy some speakers. I'm planning to get a couple ALNICO Weber Blue Dogs, but I'm thinking of getting one Silver Bell.

    Any strong opinions, bearing in mind that money IS an issue, so, you know....


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    Common advice is that the AC30 loves the Alnico but I'm a big fan of the Silver Bell. I would hazard a guess that the Bell's might be a touch too bright? I'm currently looking at Greenbacks in an extension cab for my AC30 head.

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    I think the Silver Bells sound better. Way more bottom.

    Which is why I prefer the Blue Dogs.

    Nasty for rhythm but enough liquid for leads.

    Just like the original Bulldogs/Grey Celestions.

    I hear those things I just wanna start smashing shit.

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    I've heard a couple of original ac30s with greys that sound amazing, for whatever odd reason
    But they're rare.

    On the whole, the blues are the way to go.
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    I think the Silver Bells sound better. Way more bottom.

    Which is why I prefer the Blue Dogs.

    Nasty for rhythm but enough liquid for leads.

    Just like the original Bulldogs/Grey Celestions.

    I hear those things I just wanna start smashing shit.

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    If it's clean to mild breakup and you want the AC30 sound, nothing beats Celestion Blues if you're buying new IMO. The midrange is right and the speaker compression+ resultant tone change tracks the volume knob nicely

    Tayden Ace 25s were *almost* there. Weber Blue dogs and silver bells were nice but responded differently - more compression, more breakup beyond a certain volume. Nice mids, but when I gigged them I found they weren't nearly loud enough for decent headroom; I'd estimate the sensitivity of the 30 watt versions to be 96dB/w. I liked Celestion Golds for higher gain but they were too bassy and bright for my taste clean.

    Moving away from the expense of Alnico, Greenbacks are great, and that includes G12m-25s, the new G12m-65s and old G12-65s in closed back cabs or G12H-30 Anni, Heritage, h-75s in open back cabs.
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    Moving away from the expense of Alnico, Greenbacks are great, and that includes G12m-25s, the new G12m-65s and old G12-65s in closed back cabs or G12H-30 Anni, Heritage, h-75s in open back cabs.
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    Definitely going to go with ALNICO, and probably the Blue Dogs. Then the only question is, dope or no dope?
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    Then the only question is, dope or no dope?
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    I've heard good things about the Tayden Ace 25s from a musician whose opinion I highly trust.

    Supposedly entirely made in the UK, manufacturing many of their own parts (including winding their own voice coils) in-house.

    Might be worth checking out as an alternative.


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    I ended up finding a thing from Ted Weber which said his 30 watt Blue Dogs are closer to the old 1960's Celestion Blues, which had a longer voice coil and a different spider than the modern Blues, so I ordered a pair of the 30 watt Blue Dogs. UPS says they should be here on Tuesday, and I'm taking this week off from work to try to finish up this amp.
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    Is the amp for you or for a customer?
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    I've heard good things about the Tayden Ace 25s from a musician whose opinion I highly trust.
    Like I said in my post ^ up yonder, they're *almost* there if your benchmark is a Celestion Blue. They're just a little more tame up top, where blues tend to go crazy up top when pushed and give you really fine grained upper harmonics that aren't ear piercing, the taydens were a bit smoother.

    Also, I had a pair and ultimately had to send both of them back to get reconed due to voice coil rub at seperate times - the first in waranty after 6 months, the second after 18. This was just used with an AC30, so either I was unlucky, there was a manufacturing defect around the time I got my pair, or they're rated a bit more generously than modern Blues are.
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    Is the amp for you or for a customer?
    For me. I don't make amps as anything but a hobby. I'll sell em when there done, of course, but I only build what I'm interested in building!


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    For me. I don't make amps as anything but a hobby. I'll sell em when there done, of course, but I only build what I'm interested in building!


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    Can I just say, that node checking (i.e., making sure I didn't miss anything before powering up) is a fucking pain in the ass on an AC30. Too many fucking nodes!!!!!
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    Just powered this thing up and played through it for the first time just through my test speaker, naked on the bench - no cabinet yet!), and the only problems I've run into were a bad tube (plate/grid short - it's definitely not good to only have 24V on the plate! Even worse when the rest shows up on the grid!!!), and the speed control isn't working for some reason - not sure why yet. Oh, and the Bass control is backwards. It's reasonably quiet, and the EF86 channel sounds fucking awesome!!!!!

    On the whole, I'm a bit baffled. I mean, normally when I make an amp, there is some near disaster - a blown transformer, or at least I'll go through a few fuses. This time ... nothing serious. A couple minor things that shouldn't take too much to fix. How the fuck does THAT work?







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    On the whole, I'm a bit baffled. I mean, normally when I make an amp, there is some near disaster - a blown transformer, or at least I'll go through a few fuses. This time ... nothing serious. A couple minor things that shouldn't take too much to fix. How the fuck does THAT work?



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    Shhhh! That's the equivalent of whistling on a theatre stage. Never say it out loud because next time you fire up the amp it's gonna...
    Yeah, not too superstitious. I do think I've found the problem with the speed control, though!


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