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    Default Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    Over the time I found that if I have to add in drum samples,one shots work better than libraries. Somehow one shots blend much better. My pet theory is that when samples are triggered from multisample library, pitch variation between the hits would clash with the "real" drum. Overall I feel mix of real drums and multisample libraries always has a bit of mushy feeling. One shots does not produce such sound (at least not to such extend)
    Does anybody feel the same?
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    by "one shots", i assume you mean a snare you recorded from the same session as the song you tracked?

    if so, then id say that the 'session sampled snare' always is more transparent in a mix for me. for one, its the same snare as the one you're trying to enhance, so its less noticeable as a sample. there are some records I've heard where a sample is even overpowering the recorded track, maybe its me.

    i will say, though, that i haven't had the need to do that in a while. but when i did, it was always the sample i took from the session drummer.

    are you finding the drummers hits inconsistent on something recently? or just a general question?
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    Default Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    I think he means a single sample, with no dynamic variation?
    Maybe I'll be corrected here.
    When mixing samples with real drums, you can get a way with a static sample, if your not mixing it too loud, and depending on the style of the music.
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    I think he means a single sample, with no dynamic variation?
    That's what I thought too.

    Though I believe a one-shot sample is a sample that plays in its entirety every time it is triggered, rather than one that stops with a note-off.
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    It's reinforcement, not replacement, so I agree. If I think a snare needs a sample to help fill it out, I want it to be the same predictable sound on every hit.
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    Yeah, one shot sample is a single hit. Obviously if drums are from MIDI (sadly, a common practice these days over here), it won't work at all. Or if the original drum is sent to thrash entirely.
    But if I want to mix something in (i.e. enhancement) I found a single hit works better.
    Makes me wonder about all those libraries for trigger etc.
    Also, I found old drum machine samples work surprisingly well (often times the length of the samples might be too much, so I need to control it).
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    Can't you set up trigger to one velocity so it effect works as a one shot?
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    Can't you set up trigger to one velocity so it effect works as a one shot?
    Most libraries have round-robin, i.e. multiple hits for the same velocity. IMO its the variation between these hits (in pitch) which is problematic.
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    Understand
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    Default Re: Sample enhancement -- one shots vs libraries

    Damn, there goes part of my weekend. You've given me some ideas for a drum track I'd considered as good as I could get it. Thank you though. One shot, hmmm...

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