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    Default Multi amp setups for plank spankers: yay or nay?

    Hello everyone,

    I've got a fairly new power trio going and we are about to hit the road.
    Now, in the last few weeks I've experimented a bit with a two amp setup, one that is dry and one that gets mostly the time based effects.
    I really like the fact that I get different textures from the amps, that make for a much more interesting and exciting tone even bone dry.
    Plus I don't loose punch and clarity in my dry amp from delays and reverb trails bouncing around, so I gain a lot of definition with an equal amount of over all "wetness", it seems.

    Now, how do you guys at the console like this?
    Mucho control over verbs and delays resulting in better sound?
    Or just a phasey clusterfuck of overblown ego?

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    With (even semi) careful placement phase shouldn't be a problem. For the easiest set up just place the same mic, on both amps, in the same spot (probably center some speaker) and touching the cloth. (Assuming the speaker is the same distance from the cloth on both cabs)
    The phase between the cabs them selves should be fine unless one of them is wired 180 out.

    Should be ok, maybe. Not like I've done it.

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    Some live guys will bitch anyway, out of laziness.
    Good lord is this true. I tried a dual amp setup for maybe a dozen gigs and I got a dozen different responses that ranged from the sound guy totally getting it and doing a great job to one guy flat out refusing to mic the second amp.

    Somewhere in the middle was the guy who miked both but then only put one of them in the mix because he preferred it.

    These days I don't bother, and pretty much would only do it in two circumstances; either when I know the amps aren't going through the PA or when I trust the sound guy, which means he's either someone I know or I'm the one paying him.

    It can sound great when the stars align though!
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    My job would be to carry your ideas to the audience. I'd do anything I can to make it sound good. Sounds like a great time to learn something new.

    I'd find a way to have control over your effect-dry sound of the second amp if the desired tone doesn't come through from the PA directly.
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    Some live guys will bitch anyway, out of laziness.
    Some live guys will bitch because they don't have enough available channels or working microphones, because the guy who owns the joint is a cheapskate who doesn't understand or care about the requirements of the sound. It's not always the sound guy's fault.
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    Thanks so far, guys!
    Has anyone experience with things like amp clamps (http://www.ampclamps.com )?
    That looks like a neat and small solution for bringing your own mic stands.
    Throwing two 57 into the gig bag ain't a big deal,
    so the sound guy's excuses are down to having not enough working channels for a three piece band...
    I am reluctant to bring my two M88, though...

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    Yea, I might not travel with the 88's either.
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    Some live guys will bitch because they don't have enough available channels or working microphones, because the guy who owns the joint is a cheapskate who doesn't understand or care about the requirements of the sound. It's not always the sound guy's fault.
    Given that the OP said that this was a power trio, one would have to suggest that - given that most bands are 4 piece or more - the venue probably shouldn't be hosting bands at all then.

    You're right though...sometimes it isn't the sound guy's fault.

    But sometimes it very definitely is.

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    Some live guys will bitch because they don't have enough available channels or working microphones, because the guy who owns the joint is a cheapskate who doesn't understand or care about the requirements of the sound. It's not always the sound guy's fault.
    Bullshit. If the sound person is bitching to the client because their boss won't supply the appropriate equipment than they're just an asshole. Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean there's an excuse to be unprofessional. There's always a workaround.
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    Bullshit. If the sound person is bitching to the client because their boss won't supply the appropriate equipment than they're just an asshole. Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean there's an excuse to be unprofessional. There's always a workaround.
    Who said anything about "bitching to the client"? I'm talking about the client bitching at the soundman because he can't supply 24 channels of mics when the venue only has a 16 channel board and the parsimonious jerk who owns the club won't replace the 3 vocal mics broken because the idiot "singer" of the band that played last week thinks that deliberately smashing other people's equipment (throwing his vocal mic 10 feet in the air and watching it go *SPLAT*) makes him a "rock star".

    But who always gets blamed? The soundman.

    Yeah, he might "bitch" back at the client, soundmen are human, too.

    If the soundman is conscientious above and beyond the call of duty he can furnish his own mics, but who's going to pay for them when they get smashed up? I actually used to do that and ended up spending much, if not most of my (rather meager) pay replacing or fixing my own equipment.

    Some musicians, like most soundmen, are professional and will work with the situation to try to do the best they can under the circumstances. Some musicians, like some "soundmen" are just assholes, plain and simple.

    And some musicians are just clueless and don't understand that what they're asking for is beyond the capability of the venue. And of course have never heard of a tech rider or communication with staff before the gig.

    And then there's guys like "P", the lead singer of a fairly well known Bay Area metal band who used to cause the sheetrock in the dressing room walls to be replaced every time his band played because he thought it was cool to show off by ramming his head through the wall.

    I've been called to fill in at clubs and arrived to find a 12 channel board with half the channels taped off and 4 mics, two of which have the fronts knocked off.

    "Bullshit" yourself. When you've done the job, then you can bitch.
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