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    Default Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    OK, I had a couple of occassions when I had to mix a track which I truly liked. I mean, I do like a lot of stuff that I mix. In fact, I don't think I can do a good job if I really dislike a song. And also somehow over the course of the mix when I get to know a song it would usually grow on me and I would find things which I like most about the song and I try to magnify them.
    But there were occassions (especially one which I remember) when upon hearing a rough it really did grab me.
    And I just got sent a track like this. And I am nervous.
    It's really good and I just don't know if I can go around building a mix cause I would need to think analytically.
    Also, it's not like it sound good. It's very basic rough and it needs a proper mix.
    It's like, I dunno, imagine you have someone you love and you need to do something very formal to this person, like take an exam.
    Did it ever happen to you or I'm just crazy?
    Well, hopefully I'd get around that and the good thing is that band trusts me and we mixed their previous record together so I know them.
    So mostly I'm just venting.
    But I would like to hear if you ever have to deal with something like that.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    You've adapted to mixing mediocre (or worse) music over time.

    When you get something outstanding, it distracts you.

    If you want a real challenge, try mixing your own music. If you don't like your own music, it wouldn't make it to the mixing stage.

    It's not like you're getting paid for it
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    You've adapted to mixing mediocre (or worse) music over time.
    Well, that would be disrespectful to music I have mixed, it's just there are some things which just click.

    When you get something outstanding, it distracts you.
    Yes, that's what happens.

    If you want a real challenge, try mixing your own music. If you don't like your own music, it wouldn't make it to the mixing stage.
    Good point. But actually, mixing my own stuff was always VERY lengthy and circular experience.
    Though, thanks to that I do know what to avoid.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    There's a lot of "good" music I don't really click with but have utmost musical respect for and sometimes even a few really great tunes. Like Stones. Love the concept and the people behind it, love a few songs - but wouldn't stand a whole album. Nankers!
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    My mother didn't like Rock & Roll, either. Jazz also, for that matter.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    Well, that would be disrespectful to music I have mixed, it's just there are some things which just click.
    You are tactful and diplomatic, very good traits to have.

    Not:

    Client: "I know this is a very complex project. Are you sure you can handle it?"

    You: "Don't worry! I only have a problem if the music is good."



    Good point. But actually, mixing my own stuff was always VERY lengthy and circular experience.
    Glad to hear it isn't only me.
    Though, thanks to that I do know what to avoid.
    In my case I can't seem to avoid mixing my own stuff. Kind of like the pothole repair truck that falls into a pothole.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    You: "Don't worry! I only have a problem if the music is good."
    Does sound crazy, isn't it?
    But that's kinda what happens. It's just that certain music causes so strong physical reaction that I almost cannot think straight. Like I got a kick of a substance. It doesn't happen that often of course.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    hey man, you hijacked my stoopid!

    yeah, I'm with you on this one. i was worse in the past but i also tend to hesitate a bit more on songs like you described. its very hard to be objective and give them what they imagined when you find other things in the song that you want to showcase a bit more.

    If you want a real challenge, try mixing your own music. If you don't like your own music, it wouldn't make it to the mixing stage.

    It's not like you're getting paid for it
    thats about all I've been doing lately, and yeah, short of leaving my own body somehow, super difficult to be objective. but at the end of the day, its kind of an 'is what it is' type of compromise.

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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    I wrestle with this all the time. Case in point, two songs on a record I'm mixing, back to back. One of them is a straight 4 to the floor funk rock tune that I helped write. I've got such a hard on for this song that I feel like the mix can't ever be good enough. The next song is a slower, jazzy soul ballad that isn't my favorite. But the mix came together in about 2.5 hours, and I can't think of how to make it any better.

    I played bass and keyboards on both, but the one I helped write is the one that gives me the most trouble. There's a direct correlation with how much I care about a song vs. how difficult it is to mix it. I try to just embrace the fear and trust that I'll feel stoked at the end of it. I've also found that I think about the songs I like a lot more outside of the studio, as they get stuck in my head, so I'm always trying to match up the 'head' version with the version I'm mixing. The best solution I've found so far is to mix very quickly, and to forget what I think I'm hearing in my head throughout the day. Sometimes it can still take forever.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    You are not working hard enough. Listen a few more thousand times and you'll hate the song eventually.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    You are not working hard enough. Listen a few more thousand times and you'll hate the song eventually.
    Well, uhm, it's kind of like my plan. I'm in the middle of another projext and I have time before I begin this one.
    When in doubt, mumble!

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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    Imagine being a 17 year old devout Beatles fan.

    You are recording your very first session. And it's the Beatles.

    Ken Scott was scared shitless! He did manage to pull it off, though

    Yeah, (yeah, yeah) he was recording, not mixing. But I think a producer used to supervise mixing the way it was done back then.

    If you wanted a piano in the middle 8, for instance, you'd splice in the middle 8 from take 17 (or whatever) that had piano in it. It wasn't a simple matter of unmuting a track or bringing up a fader.
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    Actually I think you'd just take the bloody thing over!
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    Default Re: Nobody can beat me on dumb questions! Were you ever afraid to mix a song that you reaally like?

    Reading The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn. The sessions weren't as straightforward as I'd assumed.

    "Thank You Girl" was an edit of takes 6 and 13.
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