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    $150/hr???

    ... what don't you get for that money?
    A desk that's not an SSL?

    Just kidding... I actually like the only SSL console I've used [duality], and I have an alpha channel strip that I like, but I don't have a lot of experience on LFAC, and I know liking SSL is not a popular opinion around here.
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    Cool, yes.

    Worth the money? No way.
    Just discussing this with a buddy who also saw the ad, we both had same sentiment. (not that either of us could afford buying even a knob off the thing, but that's not important). Be interesting to see what Kravitz gets for it.
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    I actually like the only SSL console I've used [duality], .... I know liking SSL is not a popular opinion around here.
    Neither is liking Avid. And I simply don't care. I picked an Avid over several Neves, an couple SSLs, and a Studer. And that Frankenstein Trident 7. And for the right reasons. If you can afford the console (especially a duality), keep yourself busy, and fit it into your biz model, totally no need to ever apologize for that.
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    SSLs sound like ass but they were first with automation that works so people can mix by committee.

    Avid is killer for film mixing which shouldn't really be a surprise.
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    Avid is killer for film mixing which shouldn't really be a surprise.
    Speaking of surprises, I could hardly believe that no one (at least to my knowledge) has challenged avids Eucon engine! Yamaha has made an honorable attempt, but why do SSL, Studer, and Harrison just sit around and let Avid make the only console that can talk to all the DAWs?

    Does anyone here know?
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    SSLs sound like ass but they were first with automation that works so people can mix by committee.
    What don't you like about them? I've never owned one.
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    What don't you like about them? I've never owned one.

    Why are you asking this question? He already told you.

    They sound like ass.

    The mic pres in particular are notoriously execrable.

    Really bad for tracking.

    Less bad for mixing but still really sterile and blah for the most part. However the large number of finctyions available on each channel and buss (during playback/mixdown) makes them extremely useful for those doing projects where recall is a necessity and trumps the musicality of the console.

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    Speaking of surprises, I could hardly believe that no one (at least to my knowledge) has challenged avids Eucon engine! Yamaha has made an honorable attempt, but why do SSL, Studer, and Harrison just sit around and let Avid make the only console that can talk to all the DAWs?
    Euphonix developed Eucon for their S5 console and desktop controller line. They were primarily supporting Nuendo in an effort to compete with the Avid Icon.

    Avid bought Euphonix, merged it with the Icon team under the leadership of Euphonix executives and integrated it into Pro Tools. SSL and Neve went bankrupt, Studer was bought by Harman and Harrison is a much smaller company. I'm sure they intend to integrate their mixBuss software with their consoles but competing with Pro Tools is like trying to sell a 1" multitrack in the world of 2" machines. Virtually every serious Pro Tools project is worth far more than the price of any DAW.
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    What don't you like about them? I've never owned one.
    I would never own a console when I can rent a studio. That's hobbyist-think.
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    I would never own a console when I can rent a studio. That's hobbyist-think.
    Hey Bob,
    You've mentioned things like this a number of times, but never expounded on it much (that I've seen). Would you mind explaining your thoughts on this a little more. Your hobbyist-think statement sort of outlines where I've come from and I'd like to better understand the pitfalls of thinking this way. If you don't mind.

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    To me, a studio is a performance space. An analog console is for recording ensembles efficiently and doing mixes with a great deal of outboard gear.

    Both are pointless to own unless you are recording ensembles and doing monstrous mixes every day. Another integral part of a studio is a support crew. It's about moving fast enough that the performers can't get bored.

    Having some of the gear without the performance space and the crew combines the worst of DIY and a pro studio.
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    Also, you can rent a studio with a great console when you actually need it for a fraction of the cost of owning even a mediocre one, and you don't have to deal with maintenance or accepting pennies on the dollar should you ever decide to sell it.
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    If you can't afford to rent a nice studio for a couple days, you're sure as hell not going to be able to afford a decent large format console anyhow.
    That's a serious cart-horse process error.
    And like bob said, you're not just getting a board, you're getting a space and outboard gear and some help too.
    How many gigs do you have to book before you can actually buy that studio?
    All of the gigs. The answer is all of the gigs.
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    I would never own a console when I can rent a studio. That's hobbyist-think.

    'Can' is the operative word. They're not available around here. When the facility is finished, I'll be the first room in South Carolina that has one. Literally no post rooms around here that are accessible on a freelance basis.

    ...and was your comment about the sound quality of the SSL referring only to their analog consoles?
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    If you can't afford to rent a nice studio for a couple days, you're sure as hell not going to be able to afford a decent large format console anyhow.
    That's a serious cart-horse process error.
    And like bob said, you're not just getting a board, you're getting a space and outboard gear and some help too.
    How many gigs do you have to book before you can actually buy that studio?
    All of the gigs. The answer is all of the gigs.
    What I can't afford is the time it takes to run back and forth to Atlanta every week to get to one. I see you're in NC. Are you in the post-production market? Where are you going when YOU need one?

    I'm trying to get to a fully digital console with 192 i/o and at least 5.1 surround, but 7.1 would be awesome...let me know if you happen to have run across anything locally. I don't care about the cinema screen and projector...hollar at me if you know of a room.
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    No, not for post frankly. I do music, though I'm mixing my first short film right now...
    But I mix with a mouse, and if a client is feeling snazzy and flush, there's plenty of good rooms to rent around here for music.
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    SSLs sound like ass but they were first with automation that works so people can mix by committee.

    Avid is killer for film mixing which shouldn't really be a surprise.
    The rock guys love their ssls though. The one studio near here had a 9000j but they went out of business. So I guess folks aren't willing to pay for the high end studios anymore.
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    The rock guys love their ssls though. The one studio near here had a 9000j but they went out of business. So I guess folks aren't willing to pay for the high end studios anymore.
    Nobody's willing to pay for rock!

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    The rock guys love their ssls though. The one studio near here had a 9000j but they went out of business. So I guess folks aren't willing to pay for the high end studios anymore.
    Thanks to the democratisation of technology, folks seem unwilling to pay for any level studios anymore.

    "I'll save money and do it myself...how hard could it be?"

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    Thanks to the democratisation of technology, folks seem unwilling to pay for any level studios anymore.

    "I'll save money and do it myself...how hard could it be?"

    Cheers,
    Tim
    I hope that's not completely true since I just bought a new audio interface. But the singer I have been working with keeps asking me to help her with her daw settings instead of actually letting me record her. Not sure where to go with that but it's hard to teach someone all that goes into a good recording.

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