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    Curious if anyone here has worked on an indie project that went to vinyl. Specifically, I am looking for information about your experience with the company and also the costs to do short runs.

    Gotta Groove was recommended. Would love to find someone who has worked with them.
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    This is the first I've heard of Gotta Groove. But they've only been around since 2009.

    I stumbled across this; the best article I've read about vinyl in a while:

    http://pitchfork.com/features/articl...nyls-comeback/

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    I wound up speaking with Matt from Gotta Groove. Could not be easier guys to deal with... Seems their primary concerns are "Are you using a real mastering engineer" and "Has he mastered to vinyl in the past"

    Anyway, they seem like a great outfit and we will likely work with them as they are right within our budget.

    If anyone is interested, their pricing is all right on the site there.
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    If you haven't found a guy to master to vynil, there's a place in Toronto that does . laquer channel mastering. I'm sure there's other places also, but that's the only place around here that I know of. They also cut vynil.
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    Gotta Groove has done well by several of my mastering clients.

    My first choice has been Noiseland who transfer to lacquer in Germany and manufacture in France however I've been told their price has gone through the roof.
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    Quick question... Gotta Groove offers "test cuts" as an alternative to having an acutal acetate. They cut portions of each song into an acetate, then record them and send an email file as our initial check.


    "Test cuts consist of portions of your submitted masters being cut into an actual lacquer, and then played on a turntable and recorded into wav files for easy transfer via email."


    I think this is the path we are going to go as it provides a decent savings.

    Anyone have thoughts?
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    I hadn't heard of that approach before but I think it beats just sending a test pressing like many do and it gets around not knowing how good the client's playback system is.
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    Sounds interesting. Other than the needle noise and riaa curve, is that any different than just having your songs 'mastered for vynil' and just sent back to you, though?

    Interesting article, also. I wonder if black was the only color option, would the back log issues go away? 6 months is quite the lengthy turn around.
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    It probably saves them the expense of as many blanks, saves time and saves going back and forth with people who are judging from sub-par vinyl playback systems.
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    “You used to be able to turn over a record in four weeks,” says John Beeler, project manager at Asthmatic Kitty, the label home of Sufjan Stevens. “But I’m now telling my artists that we need at least three months from the time they turn it in to the time we get it back.”
    Not sure where you got the 6 month turnaround from. That article is from 2014 and I'm not sure if production has been catching up with supply but Gotta Groove has posted much quicer turnarounds.

    Assuming they regularly update the page, since it would be quite misleading not to.

    12″ standard weight – orders placed today will probably be on press early February depending upon qty and color(s). *
    12″ 180 gram – orders placed today will probably be on press early February depending upon qty and color(s). *
    7″ — orders placed today will probably be on press early February depending upon qty and color(s).


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    Turn around depends on when you order. The two floods are Christmas and record store day. Right now is too late for Christmas and too early for RSD which is in April. As far as I know production is not catching up because there isn't enough financial incentive for investment in new presses.
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    Must have read wrong. Thought there was somewhere in the article that mentioned 6 months. My bad.
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    I've heard 6 months at times.
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    As far as I know production is not catching up because there isn't enough financial incentive for investment in new presses.
    I took a serious look at this a year/year and a half ago. It seems the demand is there, to the point that you can reasonably quickly recover your investment. But the start up cost were steep. It was just short of 1m in equipment alone. I think I'd figured around a 1.8 to 2m initial investment. Based on some loose numbers that I had at the time, you could aggressively recover that in about 5 years, more comfortably in 7 to 10. Seems doable, just in a league that stretched beyond what I could reach at the time...and still now I suppose.

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    One of the biggest expenses is plating equipment that can meet EPA requirements. You have to compete with people who are grandfathered into using far less expensive hear.
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    One of the biggest expenses is plating equipment that can meet EPA requirements. You have to compete with people who are grandfathered into using far less expensive hear.

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    Not that I like it, but given what the incoming administration looks like ... some of those restrictions may loosen come January.
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    Yours is going to India.

    I haven't shopped around lately but Gotta Groove's prices don't seem out of the ordinary. You have to add whatever options you want and compare. Seems like a solid company though.

    AFAIK the reason for not going with United is that they don't want your business. They have relationships/ obligations with longstanding customers. Third man is mostly for Jack White & co. So it's good too see new companies crop up.

    The main obstacle to doing short runs is setup time. It doesn't pay to do small batches.

    There are new presses being made (see links below). Maintenance must be a bitch on the half-century old machines.

    http://www.viryltech.com/#equipment

    http://newbilt.com/
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    If you haven't found a guy to master to vynil,
    Bob Olhsson has to be one of the best Mastering Engineers in the world for vinyl.

    I thought everybody knew that

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    I have this little vanity project going, man it would be neat to release it on vinyl.
    Expensive, but neat.


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