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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    A couple of places here in town have hosted open house type get togethers. Throw some burgers on the grill and ice down some beers. Invite some guys you know, have them invite a couple of folks that you don't know. I'm a social person by nature, so get togethers like that are fun anyway. But I always thought that was a clever way to introduce people to your studio(or whatever business you have).

    Inevitably ... get a bunch of music types together and there will be playing. Be ready to throw up some room mics and maybe a vocal mic or two. At worst you move some electrons around ... but maybe you capture a sweet cover of Islands in the Stream for some players who would never play together otherwise and they become enamored with your place. Next thing you know, you can't get Kenny and Dolly out of your house.

    -r
    The place I had in San Fransisco had a long time reputation as the neighborhood party house at the time I moved in. It also rented time to a local band for rehearsals a couple of times a week. Within a short time after I moved in a couple of things happened - first the band practicing there apparently left the front door open unattended while loading out and somebody walked in off the street and stole a powered PA speaker which a friendly manager at Banjo Mart had loaned me for my birthday party the next day at the neighborhood pub*. I ended up having to pay for it. Then a month or two later somebody broke the head off my acoustic bass guitar at one of the house parties. Of course nobody was willing to own up to it. The guitar was totally - the break was splintered to the point of being unrepairable. At that point I put an end to the parties and most musical activities unrelated to my projects.

    I would not want to host any kind of party at the house where all my expensive musical and studio equipment is located. It's just too risky.


    * - unless, of course, it was actually somebody from the band who took it. I'd hate to think that, but...
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Damn John. I'm not talking about having the Son's of Silence over.

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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Damn John. I'm not talking about having the Son's of Silence over.

    -r

    Neither am I.
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    Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
    Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
    The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Guys I know who are busy with their studio are guys who have musical chops as well. They get the work because not only do they record but they provide tracks as well. Lot of songwriters without decent bands. Take care, Logan
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    Most friends are "on the inside". Skank Muffin
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    If this is the fundamental problem, its probably my own fault here. I played guitar for more than 17 years, in bands as well as on my own. Bass for less, and dabbled with vox and drums for a while. I've shelved it for a while for a number of reasons; work, lack of inspiration, etc.

    I'm sure I'll pick up where I left off sooner or later, but even when I was, I didn't see an uptick on the recording side. Bu t then again, never really took it seriously enough then, so there's that I suppose.

    Thanks everyone! Got some thinking to do/ balls to get out of a vice.
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    I don't think playing in a band is a prerequisite for getting more work. It might be a good way to start, but if you already have a name and few people now you it might actually hinder the process -- you may shot your ears on rehearsals/gigs and you would spend money on instruments/amps/whatever when you're supposed to by more mics
    Just work your ass off and be nice to people. It will come sooner or later.
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    If you are a musician and an AE you are serving two masters any way you slice it.

    Not that it can't be done but if you have a day job you are serving three.

    In a relationship? Four.

    Etc.
    Man! You have GOT to try a hit of this RANGE SUNSHINE!

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    Most friends are "on the inside". Skank Muffin
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Thanks guys! And this wasn't intended to be a "poor me" kinda thing in case it came across that way. Just wanted to hear what others thought about this.

    And yeah...the gf never sounds very amused when I say she's actually the mistress in the relationship, and that the real wife is in the basement lol.
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Unfortunately things like rooms, gear and instruments factor into the equation, and when these factors are weak, producing results that people will pay you to achieve becomes pretty fairly difficult, because engineering with shitty gear in a shitty room is something almost anyone can do.

    It's funny, because this is essentially what keeps most potential projects of mine from materializing. Someone will hear something I did and go "I want mine to sound like that".

    So I go "Okay, well we went to this non-shitty room for drums, and it cost this much, and if you want to track all at the same time, we have to either go here or buy/rent this, and it will cost more. You can, conversely, record it in my little tiny studio, but it will sound like you did, and it won't sound like the thing you want it to sound like."

    And the response is usually something like "oh word" or "oh ok". Then dropping off the planet. Or getting their buddy with FL Studio to do it. (because that's all they really want anyway)

    It's actually gotten to the point where I have no desire to enter the conversation. I'd rather record myself or someone who knows exactly what they want right off the bat and skip all the time wasting. As bad as it sounds, in the last 4 or 5 years, it just doesn't seem worth it to get that stellar result when the return on your time is a few hundred bucks and the satisfaction of knowing you worked your dick off for something nobody will ever hear. Shouldering the responsibility for the artist sounding good doesn't seem worth it these days.

    I love making music, and I love making good recordings. So many people just want to hear it back perfect through some speakers without putting in the work, or even realizing they need to put in the work. I don't mean to be demeaning to artists, but they are ultimately the gatekeepers of the quality of their own work. The more fragmented our music scenes get, the more apparent this seems. It's almost like the most we can do these is not make it worse. That's not a very attractive job prospect no matter what industry you're in.
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    Most friends are "on the inside". Skank Muffin
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    Default Re: Any advice for anyone who thinks they aren't going anywhere?

    Yup, money seems to be the deciding factor 9 times out of 10.

    Seems like most wanna hear the best you got and chose based on that without even asking how it was that you got to that point. Why? Just hit up the artist/musicians section on kijiji/craigslist/etc. Littered with guys offering "pro recording/mixing/mastering for $20/song" or something to that affect. I highly recommend checking that out if you're having a shitty day and need a good laugh.

    Then once you tell them how much your rate is (and how long (not to mention how much money you've invested in this expensive hobby), the look of utter shock is priceless.

    There's a serious lack of due diligence with a lot of bands in this area. If window shopping for the cheapest rate is your only decider, then don't be all hurt in the ass when you're disappointed with the final result.

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