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    The sweet spot is for the finder to enjoy. Hitting the G-spot while being in the sweet spot can cause a tornado.
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    Erm, no.

    Not speakers.

    He had people blowing the ribbons out of Coles 4038 microphones by using them on kick drum.
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    For what is worth, over at John I Sayers forum they always recommend to build your equilateral triangle with the third apex several inches behind your head (was it 18" to 24"? I can't recall just now).

    The main idea is that mainly the directional tweeter information would be pointing at your nose if you didn't do that. Since our listening organ(s) is not in the nose, then placing the speakers this way is an easier path from the tweeter domes to your eardrums.

    Reading OP, it also seems to be more of a Null in the room modes, doesn't it?
    Did you input your room dimensions in the room calculators that show the hot-spots for your room geometry? that'd be easy way to disregard this avenue. If you're unlucky, you'll find that you have big destructive spot for lower frequencies (mid-low if the articulation on the bass fingers is lost, right guys?) .

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    Did you input your room dimensions in the room calculators that show the hot-spots for your room geometry? that'd be easy way to disregard this avenue. If you're unlucky, you'll find that you have big destructive spot for lower frequencies (mid-low if the articulation on the bass fingers is lost, right guys?)
    I'm unfamiliar with this. If you'd point me at what you're talking about I'd do that for sure. Happy to share what I get from it too.

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    Of course, happy to help
    Give me a sec.
    If I remember correctly there are 2 room calcs that dominate, then a whole bunch of other ones with different bells and whistles.

    There's this one, one of the most thorough
    http://amroc.andymel.eu/?l=13&w=11.3...stening%20room

    Although the 3D room visualizer is kind of very tiny in its little portlet, you can zoom in but it's still tiny.

    Here's a nice overview if you haven't dealt with this before:
    http://www.mcsquared.com/modecalc.htm

    This is the one I use and like the most, it's one of the most famous ones:
    http://www.bobgolds.com/Mode/RoomModes.htm

    This one has nice visualization like the one you need, but for some reason it's been limited to 20 bands of very low frequencies...
    https://www.hunecke.de/en/calculator...igenmodes.html

    I've never used this specific one, but can't find the graphical one I also used at my old house... anyway it looks like it would show what you want:
    http://www.acoustic.ua/forms/calculator8.en.html


    Good luck!
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    I'm unfamiliar with this. If you'd point me at what you're talking about I'd do that for sure. Happy to share what I get from it too.

    Thanks,

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    The main idea is that mainly the directional tweeter information would be pointing at your nose if you didn't do that.
    possible answers for this:

    1) If you had a big nose and tweeters had fingers, theoretically they could point at your nose.

    But they realize how delicate their domes are and usually mind their own business.

    2) tweeters don't have a point. they disperse sound in a sort of radial pattern.

    3) when I check in mono on one speaker, the tweeter is sort of pointing at the front of my face but my ears are tilted slightly forward so the sound manages to reach them.

    4) your music stinks when I listen to it with my nose

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    LoL #1 #3 #4 Bahahaha

    Re #2, they're more directional than woofers is what they mean.

    Also, one is supposed to calc everything in reference to the speaker cabinet's "virtual center" anyway, which is an imaginary point between the various domes it may have right there on the front baffle, from where "some" distance away from the cabinet the sound converges perfectly in-phase. The virtual center on speaker-L, virtual center on speaker-R and some distance behind your head are the 3 ideal apexes(apexii?) of the triangle.

    But it's a well known phenomena the thing about high frequency waves being much more directional than low frequency waves which they think of more like one would for an omnidirectional microphone. So stretching that rough metaphor even more, tweeters could be something like cardioid (not hyper-cardiod!) when compared to sub-woofers.
    possible answers for this:

    1) If you had a big nose and tweeters had fingers, theoretically they could point at your nose.

    But they realize how delicate their domes are and usually mind their own business.

    2) tweeters don't have a point. they disperse sound in a sort of radial pattern.

    3) when I check in mono on one speaker, the tweeter is sort of pointing at the front of my face but my ears are tilted slightly forward so the sound manages to reach them.

    4) your music stinks when I listen to it with my nose

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    I don't get it. You place the speakers equidistant from each other (?), you move perpendicular to the base line, staggering backwards, until the sound field opens up - thus hitting the sweet spot.

    Otek taught me to keep the speakers "toe in" (you should see the "outsides" of the speakers while angling them towards the sweet spot), and it seems to work fine.

    Why 1000 methods to achieve something that ears would accomplish in 5 seconds?
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    staggering backwards
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    Why 1000 methods to achieve something that ears would accomplish in 5 seconds?
    I think you've forgotten who the OP was...
    You should have seen how much time my mom spent teaching me to tie my shoes.

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    LOL, are you implying he was mixing while drunk? Bahahahaah


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    I don't get it. You place the speakers equidistant from each other (?), you move perpendicular to the base line, staggering backwards, until the sound field opens up - thus hitting the sweet spot.

    Otek taught me to keep the speakers "toe in" (you should see the "outsides" of the speakers while angling them towards the sweet spot), and it seems to work fine.

    Why 1000 methods to achieve something that ears would accomplish in 5 seconds?
    Ok on a more serious note, I guess the only real answer I can imagine is:
    You're building Soffits,
    You're about to cut wood beams for framing
    You gotta know the specific angle and a fairly final idea of where the desk and your chair goes. Other than that, I'm with you too.

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    I think you've forgotten who the OP was...
    You should have seen how much time my mom spent teaching me to tie my shoes.

    -r
    Your dad had trouble teaching you to shave, also.
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