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    WTF? Anyone want to talk patchbays

    Curious for thoughts/recommendations on patchbays.

    My main question has to do with connections, then choices in patchbays

    I need 96 points.

    My 2buss and interface are both db25 (each have 16 ins and 16 outs)

    All my other stuff is a mix of XLR and TRS. (none of this stuff is mic routing or power amps stuff, just mono and stereo comps and one stereo eq)

    So I am half db25 and half soldering/making patch cables

    My gut has me buying something that is all db25, then making my own custom db25 breakouts to address all my XLR and TRS needs.

    Any flaw in my thinking?

    Follow up, thoughts on the Redco R196/DB25. Decent gear?
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    Being lazy myself, I'd tend to go for pre-built where I can. Get 6 db25 to TRS and 6 db 25 to XLR cables. or maybe 11 pre-built ones and 1 you can customize to what you need if your count isn't even between the two types of connectors.
    *edit - Actually, less than 6 each that if 32 of them are db25 to db25.*

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    I could swear that I answered this last night, but I don't see the post...

    I would buy only Switchcraft , solder contact bays with the long factor open frame jacks. Yes, they're harder to deal with initially but they're far more reliable than the prosumer, mass produced, budget priced bays. 1/4" bays are 48 point, TT bays are 96.

    I've used Switchcraft bays for many years, they've always been super reliable, and not that hard to work on once you get the hang of it. Everybody I've know who have used the typical mass produced "prosumer" grade bays have had some sort of reliability problems.
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    Guess I'll join the party, as I recently got a uses ADC bantam patchbay. Guy used mogami wire, did a really nice job. The only thing is (and john, you'll probably love this) the rear pin out is 50 pin concentrics connectors! Never seen this before...but apparently they still make them. Look like the old SCSI ports. Thank god he threw in a couple snakes...I'd be lost.
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    We had ADC Bantam punchdown bays in the old post suite, but they were replaced after about 10 years. I wasn't around at the time, but they had started to become unreliable, although the nature of that suite wasn't particularly heavy on patch bay usage, so one wonders if the original install was done right.The ADC bays were replaced by Bittree bays which were used until the station moved.I am sceptical of any bays that use DB25 connectors, as I don't believe that the DB25 should be used in any professional environment (thanks Tascam) where there is likely to be many make/break cycles. They could well be fine, but I'm going to take some convincing.Cheers,Tim
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    Ive heard this before about db25. Not sure what about that format makes it unreliable, is it that its just not meant to be constantly in plugged/re plugged, or is it the pins themselves? Seems about all you can find unless you go custom.

    So the best option is just to wire the snake directly to the terminals then?
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    Ive heard this before about db25. Not sure what about that format makes it unreliable, is it that its just not meant to be constantly in plugged/re plugged, or is it the pins themselves? Seems about all you can find unless you go custom.
    Yes. DB plugs are from the computer world, and are not designed for repeated make/break cycles...they simply aren't robust enough.

    That said, most - if not all DB25 audio patch bays have the DB25 on the rear, and all of the repetitive patching happens on the bay itself...so the possibility is that you would be fine.

    So the best option is just to wire the snake directly to the terminals then?
    That's what I've done in the past.

    To be honest, it's a pain in the ass to do it this way, but as long as you have appropriate strain/weight relief it is the most robust way in my view.

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    Ive heard this before about db25. Not sure what about that format makes it unreliable, is it that its just not meant to be constantly in plugged/re plugged, or is it the pins themselves? Seems about all you can find unless you go custom.

    So the best option is just to wire the snake directly to the terminals then?
    DB25 was designed to be used in computer applications where the connection would be made once and left alone, tied down and never moved. There is no effective strain relief, the connections are difficult to make and break, especially if the attached cable has any appreciable weight/mass, the pins are flimsy, etc, etc, etc.

    They're not audio connectors. They're neither MIL nor TELCO spec. They were designed by nerds. They were not designed to not break. They were not designed to not jam. They were not designed for long term reliability.
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    I just finished wiring my new room. I've used ADC 96pt solder TT bays for years ( Mr. Patchbay).

    I always solder the bay to shortish XLR snakes, and then use snakes of appropriate length to get to what I need.

    Purchasing a db25- XLR cable of the appropriate length is always easier than the swearing that ensues when you want to move your rack 5 feet, and your soldered to the bay cabling is now too short.

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    Purchasing a db25- XLR cable of the appropriate length is always easier than the swearing that ensues when you want to move your rack 5 feet, and your soldered to the bay cabling is now too short.

    Inputs on bottom.

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    That's what you get for not thinking ahead and allowing an extra 5 or 10 feet on the cables.
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    ya, but stashing an extra 5 or 10 feet multiplied by 3 racks of outboard gear is a stupid eyesore, and inevitably if I put an extra 10 feet, I'll want to move it 15...
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    True, but you'd look like a bad ass mad scientists!

    I just have 2 short racks at the moment, and even that has been a pain. I try to use short lengths, but because of this, every time I need to put something else in the rack/move something to a lower bay, it means I have to put certain things close together, or buy new cables/snakes. Main reason my patch bay hasn't even been put in the rack yet...
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    ya, but stashing an extra 5 or 10 feet multiplied by 3 racks of outboard gear is a stupid eyesore, and inevitably if I put an extra 10 feet, I'll want to move it 15...
    Well, my main PB is built into the console with EDAC connectors to cable that came with the board. Since I loathe to cut the multicore cables short I just stash the extra behind the console and under the racks.
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