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    Perhaps that's because you imagined it.

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    First - I strongly disagree (from the Mixerman thread) that HUGE comes from mixing.
    This simply is not true.

    I could play ya 2 mixes of the exact same song + production...

    One would be an incredibly unhuge tiny little mix.

    The other would be a massive monster, the biggest thing you ever heard.


    That's mixing.
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    I see it more this way - there are a million ways to screw up a mix that it gets tiny. I was more aiming the statement towards MMs tracks. Well tracked with an agenda. Either you mix them to specs or lose them. Still I think huge comes MORE from arrangement and songwriting.

    So - I screwed up on the snare compression, the volume of the tambs and vocals. Any more ideas?

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    I see it more this way - there are a million ways to screw up a mix that it gets tiny.

    ...

    Still I think huge comes MORE from arrangement and songwriting.
    Your implication is that if the song sounds huge or not, it's not the mixer's problem, it's the songwriters + arrangers. I couldn't disagree more.

    In my view, the responsibility for huge is fully on the mixer's shoulders. Whether anybody else did their job or not.

    I would say the possibility for huge comes from arrangement + songwriting. But it takes a great mix to bring it out.


    Huge is not preordained in the tracks.
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    But in the end it takes a great mix to bring it out.
    Amen to that!

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    Default Re: MiX iT! 3d - Nor am I late or have a letter combination disease

    ...or a default assumption, for that matter.

    We're all talking huge and all, but I also think that if everything's huge, nothing is- and rather than make anything unusually or distractingly huge, I ended up intentionally making some things SMALL. Not because that's what I wanted the focal point to be, but because I had a fixed idea in mind for what the size of the key stuff wanted to be- and other stuff HAD to be not as big as that.

    Surely the emphasis on huge is largely because a lot of tracking these days defaults to tiny and lame? Always huger is not what you want. There's a target there somewhere, for any given song, as to how big it OUGHT to become for each instrument.

    Look at all the times Led Zeppelin set tiny wiry guitars against huge drums or bass. You THINK they're huge, because the song is. If you soloed them, you'd shit bricks.
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    ... I ended up intentionally making some things SMALL.
    Yeah - the soundfield's like a tube where everything have to fit. In the battle for space some stuff have to be tiny in some parts of the aural spectra. I sometimes envision "shrinkwrapping" stuff with EQ/comp in order to fit that 3d jigsaw puzzle mixing is about.

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    Yeah - the soundfield's like a tube where everything have to fit. In the battle for space some stuff have to be tiny in some parts of the aural spectra. I sometimes envision "shrinkwrapping" stuff with EQ/comp in order to fit that 3d jigsaw puzzle mixing is about.

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    I think I evolved into it.

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    We're all talking huge and all, but I also think that if everything's huge, nothing is-
    Absolutely.

    That's the 1st rule of getting a huge sound.

    Things feel big in comparison to elements that feel close. The space between them defines the mix's depth.

    And therein it's hugeness.
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    I think I evolved into it.

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    Did anyone else get a review by MM as well?
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    Ive found that if you make something practically smaller it actually becomes bigger, ie on distorted guitars ig you clean up the lows and get rid of the harsher hi's the focus becomes more of that of where the power lies, I have started to use this as well for playing live, carefully done you keep to focus on the real guts of the instrument.


    It does not mean elimiating the upper harmonics of a sound, but trading places so that not everything is tryiing to be big in the same way. A snare can be as big as a guitar, its much shorter a sound and can be focused slightly differently.

    Then theres the head messing tricks like automating a sound to be slighly louder for a bar to bring your attention to it.

    Then theres subtle reverb...

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