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    I offer a truce. No more strobes during soundcheck, we cut down on the 1k tone. Deal ?
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    I offer a truce. No more strobes during soundcheck, we cut down on the 1k tone. Deal ?


    Not a problem.


    Hey, I NEVER do strobes durring a sound check, but I am probably going to be seting focus point durring sound check, because it is the only time I have a reference for where you are going to be standing.

    For what it's worth, I was the guy arguing with the producer that for a show with 48 moving lights, I need to get into the room at 2:00 A.M., but they didn't want to pay the stage hands double time all day.


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    i'll add the counterpoint that sound shouldn't be going on while riggers are up, or when folks are on a genie lift focusing. that's just more of the cooperative effort thing. and sound guys generally (in big shows with crews) shouldn't leave music just running if the stage is being worked on by lots of folks doing things who need to communicate. if the stage work is done, then folks can play music or screw with lights.

    with respect to programming, the reverse still applies. i don't give a shit about what is or isn't programmed yet, don't turn lights off while folks are working on deck, don't mess with lights in the soundcheck, and dont' flash light on and off while folks are working around the lights (unless it's the focus). which is to say i've been pretty much looking at lights while setting up the set for a band and have had lights come on right in my face which is rude and unpleasant as i had to be there working on the set.

    programming time should be more or less a set time of the day, and since crews should take meal breaks on different hours, programming for lights can also happen very peacefully when sound and set is at lunch. the reverse is true for line checks and other stage work done in bright light while lighting is at lunch. programming may or may not need more time, but i still expect it to happen politely and with respect to the bigger picture of all of the production elements working together on a show.

    crews that work well together are a dream to work with, crews where lets say sound and lighting are always at odds with each other are extremely unpleasant to work for. it's a much more difficult day when they are stepping on each others toes.
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    It's these very threads that make me add more and more to my soundcheck and band forwarning that if you treat me like a cunt I will tell you to get off my stage. local ego bands are a popular one around here because there is only a few of us to tell them what they are really like.Good topic
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    i am thinking that in general, bands that are cool are often pretty good. they just aren't worried about constantly proving it, they are already confident. while i'm not a huge country music fan, country music shows are delightful to work on (in general). band like lonestar or brookes and dunne are just great to work with. otoh, local bands that want to "act like rock stars" just because they are playing at some bar are intolerable. no doubt. some local bands are totally cool, some not so much. i doubt i would be able to deal with running sound in a bar all the time anymore. i'm too spoiled, and i wouldn't be able to put up with the attitude without saying something that would get me fired.

    true story - a friend and local soundguy was working at a 1000 seat local venue in the middle of osu campus. some battle of the bands event. anyhow, i have to imagine that's as brutal of a job as you can get. he had been the house sound guy for a number of years at the venue. was busting his ass to make it happen, and the show went without a hitch. however, the band that won the battle of the local bands was talking trash about him and his mixing for them when he finally snapped and said that he was working hard for them and since they won the contest they ought to have kissed his ass for making them sound good and helping them win that day. instead, the band who had been trashing him to their buddies was so upset about being called on it by the house mixer that they complained to management at the venue and the house dude ended up getting fired over it. unbelievable. i would be getting fired everyday.
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    true story - a friend and local soundguy was working at a 1000 seat local venue in the middle of osu campus. some battle of the bands event. anyhow, i have to imagine that's as brutal of a job as you can get. he had been the house sound guy for a number of years at the venue. was busting his ass to make it happen, and the show went without a hitch. however, the band that won the battle of the local bands was talking trash about him and his mixing for them when he finally snapped and said that he was working hard for them and since they won the contest they ought to have kissed his ass for making them sound good and helping them win that day. instead, the band who had been trashing him to their buddies was so upset about being called on it by the house mixer that they complained to management at the venue and the house dude ended up getting fired over it. unbelievable. i would be getting fired everyday.
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    The house shot themselves in the foot; he's better off going elsewhere if that's the way they stand up for their employees.
    exactly what i think about it
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    unbelievable. i would be getting fired everyday.
    God help the crap I give some of the bands in my place when they act like cu*ts. Thing is if the venue is like that and wont back up their engineers then they arent worth working for.

    Anyhow back into the music editor I go
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    My position is simple and I stand by it.

    If can get somebody to do this better and deliver beter results with the joke budget I got and the pay you give me, you can use my phone to call them.

    Period.
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    Fuck that shit.

    My phone rings.
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    This all comes done to what I like to call

    Sandbox 101 - Working and Playing Well With Others.

    It not just happens at sound checks, this is something that helps in all kinds of fields. Understand your requiments and communicate them clearly. Listen to the requirements of the other guy and try to meet them. You don't have to know the other guy's job, but have an idea so when yours butts up to his you know what he has to put up with.
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    In my humble opinion, a good sound man is the most important member of the band. It doesn't matter how good the band is, a bad sound guy can make them unbearable. On the other hand, I've seen some really average bands suddenly become hot commodities because they hired an excellent sound man. Overnight, the vocals become smoother, reverbs can mask pitchiness, the drums and bass are fat and punchy, which fills the dance floor, etc. I'm saying this as a guitar player, not a sound guy... I really appreciate a professional behind the board.
    And since I'm an old grumpy bastard, here's Droolbucket's first rule of set-up:
    If you're not helping, you're IN THE WAY.

    I hate it when social hour breaks out on stage during set up or tear down.... you're trying to run cables, or place monitors, or carry amps, etc., and a musican and 2 or 3 of his buddies are swapping jokes in the middle of the stage.

    Maybe I just need a nap....
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    the bands that know the difference adore me and tip me and give me props from stage.

    the bands that don't usually wallow in bad ideas.

    I deliver the goods.

    the bands that get it adore me, the ones that don't carry on and I just count my money and go home.
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    my load outs usually are a few hours long and involve a few semi trucks of gear. you don't slow down the out. now these bands have exellent dressing rooms and busses, so they can take the party to a better place. but slowing down the out isn't a good idea, so i'd rather not have a band joking and drinking before their gear is down.
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    I just realised how pompous that sounded.

    What I meant was, most of the bands that use me at my gig are widely agreed to be the most adept bands, musically, that we book and the more.. amatuer groups, tend to be all arsed up about "their sound" and "their way of doing things" and dismiss using the house guy out of hand, often with mediocre results.

    This isn';t because I'm the fucking man, it's because I know this room like the back of my hand and the kit and the songs and.. you know... Better shows.
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    programming time should be more or less a set time of the day, and since crews should take meal breaks on different hours, programming for lights can also happen very peacefully when sound and set is at lunch. the reverse is true for line checks and other stage work done in bright light while lighting is at lunch. programming may or may not need more time, but i still expect it to happen politely and with respect to the bigger picture of all of the production elements working together on a show.
    You eat lunch on gigs? What are you, human?
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    You eat lunch on gigs? What are you, human?


    Naw, he's union. It's good work, when you can get it.


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    the standard argument is that me not eating makes it more difficult for me to do my job, and therefore becomes more expensive. you can feed me, you can give me time off to eat, or you can pay a whole lot more to keep me on the clock the whole time. yes, this comes from my iatse membership. however, if i do any freelance gigs (in non union juristiction) i'm sticking with rules like this because they just plain make sense. when i negotiate my rate this is the kind of thing that is part of the discussion.

    with so many other things being negotiatble, the fact that i eventually have to eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom are kind of facts of life!

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