Mixerman Radio Show Slipperman's Recording Distorted Guitars From Hell Radio CAPE The Best of Charles Dye Aadry's and Dwoz's Rotation Station
Mixerman's Diaries
Occupy by when?!?!, it's CAPE 10? I'm not ready!!!!!! Zen & Tao of Producing w/The Saint! Zen & Tao of Producing w/Ken Scott! Zen, The Blood Red Vampire Forum, Mwahahahaha!!!

Go Back   The Womb > The Womb Forums > The Live Music Experience

The Live Music Experience $5 cover charge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old May 5th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Comte de St Germain's Avatar
Comte de St Germain Comte de St Germain is offline
Brigader
Monet, Not Manet!
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Madame de Pompadours boudoir
Posts: 1,832
Rep Power: 536871068
Comte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these parts
Default Re: digico consoles

I've heard the "you're not even in the Midas sweet spot" (red) dude are yoo stoopid?" before...
__________________
The Comte


"all is indecipherable to him who is not prepared; he can see nothing, read nothing in the interior..."
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old May 6th, 2010, 07:24 AM
John Eppstein's Avatar
John Eppstein John Eppstein is offline
Annie Lennox Lewis
Expensive Boat Anchor
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Quake City
Posts: 10,093
Rep Power: 41894793
John Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiationsJohn Eppstein currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comte de St Germain View Post
I've heard the "you're not even in the Midas sweet spot" (red) dude are yoo stoopid?" before...
A dude is a tourist on a horse. Don't call me dude, greenhorn!

(Sorry, too many cows around where I grew up......)
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
Everything is some mixture of awesome and suck. We simply want the awesome to be highlighted sufficiently that it distracts listeners from the suck.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
Hey, if I'm Grumpy, where the hell is Snow White????
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old September 12th, 2010, 04:12 AM
henry miller henry miller is offline
Craves piCklEmiLk
Got punched for singing "Hit Me With Your Best Shot"
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: London Town
Posts: 447
Rep Power: 268435583
henry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiationshenry miller currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

This seems promising

http://www.digico.biz/waves_soundgrid/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old January 25th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Dave Scott Dave Scott is offline
First Kiss
Wanker
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Liverpool UK and Amman, Jordan
Posts: 1
Rep Power: 35
Dave Scott is on a distinguished road
Default Re: digico consoles

Digico d5 sound crap. The eq doesn't do what it should, the compressors and fx are cheap rubbish. The A to D is really poor.
Add to that it's a pain in the arse to use, but that may be because you're fighting to make it sound good and it just won't do it.
They're made by Soundtrax who could never make a decent analogue console so why would they make a decent digital.
They sound like mp3 through an adat with behringer dynamics and alesis fx.
I don't like digital anyway but at least with a PM5D you have a reasonable basic sound and good quality tools on board. With a soundcraft Vi6 you get their proven track record with mic pre-amps and eq, DBX graphics and lexicon FX.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old January 25th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Tim Halligan's Avatar
Tim Halligan Tim Halligan is offline
Roadside Outcast Dept.
Group sex therapist
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: On location...
Posts: 4,878
Rep Power: 536871169
Tim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these partsTim Halligan is infamous around these parts
Send a message via Skype™ to Tim Halligan
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Scott View Post
...DBX graphics and lexicon FX.
Great...


Oh...you think that's a good thing? Sorry dude.



Cheers,
Tim
__________________
Don't forget, we are all engaged in a battle to the death against mediocrity.

The best radio mic system that money can buy is ALMOST as good as a $20 cable.

One of the most important things to remember about sound is:
'Sucks' is always conducted better than 'Rules'. - Pimp-X wisdom


Never underestimate the power of stupid - Blackie C (RIP)

Ego and talent seldom go hand in hand... Talent and humble on the other hand... - Zoesch

Weedy ignores this simple bit of glaring obviousness because he is an "ELECTRIC BASS GUITARIST"(coughcough)
and views the kick drum as a "bass riff rhythmic pattern suggestion generator" - Slipperman
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old April 9th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Vonraddatz Vonraddatz is offline
Silly Rabbit
Lance's eyebrow
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chile
Posts: 101
Rep Power: 58838660
Vonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Digico consoles are the very standar of clasical music and theatre production, and it is a top console for pop, alternative and rock touring. I've seen Foo Fighters, Bjork, The Killers, Peter Gabriel, U2 using Digico.

You could say you don't like it, or you prefere other, but there's no way you can say it sounds bad.

And for WW to know, the main difference between live consoles preamps is THD+3 and dynamic range.

And it is really hard to say A-D are crap.

So, could anybody say that major touring bands are wrong using Digico so easily?
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old April 9th, 2012, 08:35 PM
pounce's Avatar
pounce pounce is offline
Buster
Owns two cars on blocks
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bexley, OH
Posts: 2,253
Rep Power: 536871082
pounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these parts
Send a message via Skype™ to pounce
Default Re: digico consoles

We had an SD8 come through recently. It's a great console.
__________________
cheers,

paul
www.paperstreetaudio.com
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old April 9th, 2012, 09:03 PM
Vonraddatz Vonraddatz is offline
Silly Rabbit
Lance's eyebrow
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chile
Posts: 101
Rep Power: 58838660
Vonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Excellent.

I think the SDs software is much better than D consoles.

You will love it, specially the way you can set layouts. Very important for theatre.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old April 12th, 2012, 10:21 AM
Roland Clarke Roland Clarke is offline
Ducked in here to avoid the paparazzi
Home Skooled
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: England
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 64
Roland Clarke is on a distinguished road
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vonraddatz View Post
Digico consoles are the very standar of clasical music and theatre production, and it is a top console for pop, alternative and rock touring. I've seen Foo Fighters, Bjork, The Killers, Peter Gabriel, U2 using Digico.

You could say you don't like it, or you prefere other, but there's no way you can say it sounds bad.

And for WW to know, the main difference between live consoles preamps is THD+3 and dynamic range.

And it is really hard to say A-D are crap.

So, could anybody say that major touring bands are wrong using Digico so easily?
Bjork is well known for using the Avid Dshow, they archive the recordings on Pro-Tools as she has that in her studio. Article here: http://www.avid.com/US/avid-tv/Bjork...adVENUEProfile
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old April 12th, 2012, 01:29 PM
Vonraddatz Vonraddatz is offline
Silly Rabbit
Lance's eyebrow
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chile
Posts: 101
Rep Power: 58838660
Vonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Clarke View Post
Bjork is well known for using the Avid Dshow, they archive the recordings on Pro-Tools as she has that in her studio. Article here: http://www.avid.com/US/avid-tv/Bjork...adVENUEProfile

Hey Roland,

I mentioned those bands not because somebody told they use Digico or for an article, but because I've been there with them.

I saw Bjorks engineers at Lollapalooza Chile 2012 using a SD7 at FOH, a SD8-24 at mon and two SD-racks. All conected by optics.

BTW, The AVID video says it was the 2007 tour.

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old April 13th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Roland Clarke Roland Clarke is offline
Ducked in here to avoid the paparazzi
Home Skooled
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: England
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 64
Roland Clarke is on a distinguished road
Default Re: digico consoles

Point taken, however, it may well be that they were using the Digico because it was a festival and that was what was provided?

Most top bands have show files for Digidesign, Yamaha, Digico and as has been stated here and in many other forums any decent engineer can get a great sound on any of these desks. Then you start comming down to personal preferences, mine is for the Dshow as it is the one I know the best, I also own it and I like the fact that it's an all in one solution with good enough effects to pull off the show without resorting to racks of outboard.

My experience with the Digico's is more limited, however, I've been able to mix good show's on them, hate the effects, IMHO Alesis Midiverb level, (the inclusion of the Waves effects engine demonstrates that they are aware this has been a problem for them). Yamaha's, always a standby, for me they don't set the world alight, but the effects are useable and they get the job done.

I'd love to really like the Midas, however, it's inclusion of only one band of EQ control available at a time is in my personal view a terrible ergonomic decision.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old April 13th, 2012, 01:16 PM
pounce's Avatar
pounce pounce is offline
Buster
Owns two cars on blocks
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bexley, OH
Posts: 2,253
Rep Power: 536871082
pounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these partspounce is infamous around these parts
Send a message via Skype™ to pounce
Default Re: digico consoles

I'll be using an Avid Venue this summer, so I'll be better able to chime in after that season.

I can say I was shocked at the quality of the reverbs in the Digico console, and not in a good way. Odd that they got so much other stuff right but really are behind in effects quality.
__________________
cheers,

paul
www.paperstreetaudio.com
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old April 13th, 2012, 03:13 PM
Vonraddatz Vonraddatz is offline
Silly Rabbit
Lance's eyebrow
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chile
Posts: 101
Rep Power: 58838660
Vonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiationsVonraddatz currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Clarke View Post
Point taken, however, it may well be that they were using the Digico because it was a festival and that was what was provided?
No, all of them were touring with their own equipment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Clarke View Post
Most top bands have show files for Digidesign, Yamaha, Digico and as has been stated here and in many other forums any decent engineer can get a great sound on any of these desks. .
Actually, don't; Top bands prepare so hard and spend time and money for their shows they only use the gear they work with. Also, when you are touring you don't have much time for doing a new sound chek.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Clarke View Post
My experience with the Digico's is more limited, however, I've been able to mix good show's on them, hate the effects, IMHO Alesis Midiverb level, (the inclusion of the Waves effects engine demonstrates that they are aware this has been a problem for them).
Sorry, but don't again. Digital consoles are including Waves Soundgrid compatibility becasue Waves develop an excellent and reliable OTB processing using ethernet, and everybody loves Waves plugs.

I can notice there isn't that much info about how top bands work when doing live shows. Probably it would by great to talk about that.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old September 17th, 2012, 03:44 PM
Burn em Burn em is offline
Voice like Marcel Marceau
Thinks leg warmers are coming back
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The pub, Sydney
Posts: 269
Rep Power: 506921254
Burn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiationsBurn em currently in negotiations
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by pounce View Post
I'll be using an Avid Venue this summer, so I'll be better able to chime in after that season.

I can say I was shocked at the quality of the reverbs in the Digico console, and not in a good way. Odd that they got so much other stuff right but really are behind in effects quality.
Discounting reverb and effects, I'd like to hear your thoughts now about the Digico experience etc compared to the Avid boards.

Havn't yet heard a SCAB or Venue or other Avid I liked yet.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old September 18th, 2012, 03:52 PM
clicktrack's Avatar
clicktrack clicktrack is offline
Brigader
Fool's Goldsmith
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In a Mobile...backstage...all by myself...
Posts: 1,867
Rep Power: 536871069
clicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these partsclicktrack is infamous around these parts
Send a message via Skype™ to clicktrack
Default Re: digico consoles

Just finished an install at a new 700-seat roadhouse venue where they went with a digico SD9 package.

I haven't driven the thing for a show, but just in the little playing that I did do, I'm impressed with the overall "sound" of the desk.

I'm not a huge fan of the touchscreen interface, but thankfully there are one-touch methods to eliminate the need to do everything on the touchscreen. The touchscreen also has been tuned so that you need a definitive touch to activate any menu. A blessing and a curse. It keeps random windows from popping up if you accidentally lay your hand near the screen. But it also means that to activate any window, you need a fairly firm press...meaning that if you're rushing, it may not catch your first press. Again, not having driven the desk in a show situation, I'm not sure if this is actually an issue or not...

My last reservation despite all the good things is that its windows based. For lots of technical reasons, I've never fully trusted devices that use the real-time windows implementations. Despite that, I have USED many devices that are, but always have a sense of fear in the back of my mind.
__________________
Follow Click Track Audio on Twitter

Check out Click Track Audio on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old September 23rd, 2012, 02:41 PM
TSTW's Avatar
TSTW TSTW is online now
Man from Glad understudy
Burma Shaver
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,107
Rep Power: 536871043
TSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these partsTSTW is infamous around these parts
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vonraddatz View Post
and everybody loves Waves plugs.
.
Nonsense.

I for one dislike the waves bundle for live. I end up dialling in parameters that aren't necessary which causes me to neglect what I'm doing there which is mixing the show!!! Don't get me started on the mouse.

I'm with Jason on this
__________________
"There is no movement in golf that cannot be made more difficult through diligent study and practice." - Leslie Nielson

"do not misconstrue a lack of planning on YOUR part for a crisis on MY part." - Shotgun

www.bowermanstudios.com
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old October 1st, 2012, 05:51 PM
Comte de St Germain's Avatar
Comte de St Germain Comte de St Germain is offline
Brigader
Monet, Not Manet!
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Madame de Pompadours boudoir
Posts: 1,832
Rep Power: 536871068
Comte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these partsComte de St Germain is infamous around these parts
Default Re: digico consoles

Heh, Waves.


I liked the SD7, SD8 consoles and except for the verbs preferred their sound to Digidesign desks. That said, I would have to use them more to be better at getting around on them.

Then again I still prefer some of the analog consoles that are "sub" rider material.
__________________
The Comte


"all is indecipherable to him who is not prepared; he can see nothing, read nothing in the interior..."
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old October 1st, 2012, 10:27 PM
Bob Olhsson's Avatar
Bob Olhsson Bob Olhsson is offline
Womb Legend!
Expensive Boat Anchor
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Songwriter Gulch
Posts: 9,675
Rep Power: 536871329
Bob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these parts
Default Re: digico consoles

It's logical to me that a very low latency reverb probably wouldn't sound very good.
__________________
Bob's room 615 562-4346
Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233
Interview
Artists are the gatekeepers of truth!- Paul Robeson
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old October 1st, 2012, 11:33 PM
meLoCo_go's Avatar
meLoCo_go meLoCo_go is offline
And Then there Were Three Dog Night
Group sex therapist
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,864
Rep Power: 536871169
meLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these partsmeLoCo_go is infamous around these parts
Send a message via ICQ to meLoCo_go
Default Re: digico consoles

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson View Post
It's logical to me that a very low latency reverb probably wouldn't sound very good.
Not necessarily (for example ValhallaRoom runs at zero and is really nice) and you can trade predelay for latency.
__________________
When in doubt, mumble!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipperman View Post
EVERYTHING SOUNDS LIKE SHIT IF YA LISTEN LONG AND HARD ENOUGH.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old October 2nd, 2012, 03:33 PM
Bob Olhsson's Avatar
Bob Olhsson Bob Olhsson is offline
Womb Legend!
Expensive Boat Anchor
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Songwriter Gulch
Posts: 9,675
Rep Power: 536871329
Bob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these partsBob Olhsson is infamous around these parts
Default Re: digico consoles

I understand that comparing a native DAW to a low latency DSP chip based console is a false equivalence.
__________________
Bob's room 615 562-4346
Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233
Interview
Artists are the gatekeepers of truth!- Paul Robeson
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:31 AM.

2005-2012 Mixerman Multimedia. All Rights Reserved.
Site Design by M Media