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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:34 AM
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Lets not forget one thing as well... "...Broadcasters can f#$% up even the best mix job!"

This was said by a very wise broadcast guy who's had many a fantastic mix fubar'd by the broadcast chain.

I've been in the exact same boat when I've been very happy with the mix in the truck, only to hit the "off air" button and not have the mix resemble ANYTHING like what I'm hearing.

There are many hands at work in the chain. Just sayin'...
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My Boss was there for the Grammys.

He got to sit in the truck when they were getting the sounds pre-show. he said it sounded awesome in there.

Unfortunately it goes through about 3 additional conversions before it reaches the consumers thus destroying most of the quality, which explains why to us it sounds like shit on the TV.

When i was at the viewing party in Chicago, i remember overhearing people at a crowded bar say "Those drums sound awesome!" I think it was Taylor Swifts performance or something, but who cares, i couldn't help but think...Really? I facepalmed and took another shot.
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the question isn't just "awesome" in the truck.
it's how does that translate to tv speakers


and of course one's definition of "awesome"
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It doesn't surprise me that WW watches House, or that he's a Sherlock Holmes fan. Frankly, I think everyone should do both lest you be categorized as a slobbering trollop with little more than autonomic functionality in the nervous system.


What surprises me is that you people watch the Grammys.
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What surprises me is that you people watch the Grammys.
Hey!


It's choreography's and fake sincerity's biggest day...


...and I won't have you say a bad thing about it.





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What surprises me is that you people watch the Grammys.
...and vote...believe it or not.

Weedy, that's all i heard/know on the matter. Sorry it doesn't answer your question.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:27 AM
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well I don't know your "boss"


if one of my friends, whom I KNOW knows what he's talking about, told me it sounded right in the truck, I might indeed believe it got fucked further down the chain

as it stands, I've been in too may 'trucks' where I knew straight away they were hyping themselves and that it wouldn't sound any good on the air...
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well I don't know your "boss"


if one of my friends, whom I KNOW knows what he's talking about, told me it sounded right in the truck, I might indeed believe it got fucked further down the chain
He's definitely smart enough to know good from bad, been mixing records for 15+ years. I'm definitely going on that precedent.

Wether u believe me or not...thats up to you, I'm not here to convince you he was right or not.

I mean, i'd say the Recording Academy knows who they're working with considering there are many reputable engineers involved with them. Then again, i've heard some batshit crazy things from them too. so...with no direct knowledge, i dunno.
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Late to the Hugh Laurie party, but here's my favorite Fry & Laurie bit: "Get me the cock out of here!"

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Old February 25th, 2012, 05:03 AM
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I mean, i'd say the Recording Academy knows...
you're joking, right?
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Old February 25th, 2012, 07:36 PM
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He's definitely smart enough to know good from bad, been mixing records for 15+ years. I'm definitely going on that precedent.
SO he's a beginner
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I had an interesting chat with MTV/CMT's chief engineer this morning. He said all it takes is for your cable company or somebody along the network to use the wrong decoder/re-encode settings and everything goes completely to hell. Another problem is that Dolby encoders and decoders are expensive so very few cable companies use the real deal. They all de/re-encode everything so they can drop their own local commercials in.

I've sent a copy of our Nashville U-Verse feed as folded down by my set top box to the crew so they can compare it to their on-site recording. Here it just had an absurdly tubby low-end which included every commercial that had been a part of the network feed.

Trucks can be another can of worms. When I was working on a Grateful Dead pay-per-view concert they told me several years earlier they discovered that one of the three west coast satellite up-link trucks had its audio feed mis-wired out of phase and nobody had ever noticed before!
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So far the score seems to be that there are different tastes for the amount of reverb or related elements in a mix, and that this sort of mixing has countless points of failure which keeps any single person unable to fully control the quality of the mix as received by the end user at home.
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none of this would explain why McCartney sounded okay, and everything else sounded like crap

I'm wondering if someone else mixed Paul (or he had his consultant riding watch over the mixing)

although even McCartney had no bass on tv... the Genelec phenomenon

in order for it to sound 'right' on tv speakers, the bass and bass drum in the truck on Genelecs has to seem "too loud".
that's all there is to it.

you can mix on bookshelves, but you can't just make it sound right on them and assume that works on a 2" speaker
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The reverb issue is all about surround decoding.
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The reverb issue is all about surround decoding.
really?
even if it's only on the vocals? and not present on Paul?
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I went and listened to the Bruno Mars performance, I didn't notice any reverb issue,
but it was sort of a lo-fi version that I watched, I couldn't find a higher res one.
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I'll ask. My understanding is the surrounds were audience pickup and verb.

Listening again here, Paul didn't have any less reverb but the bass was overwhelmed by the kick. I checked the l-r signal to compare the reverb and it's remarkably distorted throughout the entire show.
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that long swimmy digital reverb is simply BAD taste for a live show.

whether it's being made more obvious by weird decoding or not.
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