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Setup mics again today. Haven't recorded anything yet. Still placing mics.

MA200s just couldn't take the spl. It wasn't the mic pre or the converter. The hi tom overhead would do the weird bottom out thing, and the low tom didn't fair much better. It had that "stressed" sound on harder hits. I was having to move them so far away that they got too roomy. So I replaced them with the Royer 121s. They sound sweet!

I've got the 84 on the snare, but I need to get more crack of it. Not sure if that's an angle thing or what.

I also want to work a little more with HH side. I decided to put a mic over there as there's the ride and a crash over there as well and the hi tom mic is positioned to minimize bleed from that side. Maybe I'll raise it and abandon a mic over there....

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Shelf up the highs, you'll hear the stick smack eventually.
Yes, I was thinking that, but I'd like to get as close as possible with no processing.

We replaced the head today, along with all the toms. I think it could still use a bit of tuning as well.

Frankly, I'm hearing a 57 taped along side that 84, LOL!
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Yes, I was thinking that, but I'd like to get as close as possible with no processing.

We replaced the head today, along with all the toms. I think it could still use a bit of tuning as well.

Frankly, I'm hearing a 57 taped along side that 84, LOL!
try it!

but what you'll be hearing is the eq that the 57 adds itself.
the important comparison is to an 84 eq'd the way you like.

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but what you'll be hearing is the eq that the 57 adds itself.
the important comparison is to an 84 eq'd the way you like.

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Ok.

I was only half joking, but I will put a 57 with it. Then EQ the 84 in post to see if I can get there without the 57.

More likely though, I'll tape the 84 to the 57, lol.
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I often will add quite a lot of top and a bit of middle to the 84 to get what I want.
but once I do eq it, it has an immediacy, due to its fast attack, that no moving-coil dynamic has.
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I often will add quite a lot of top and a bit of middle to the 84 to get what I want.
but once I do eq it, it has an immediacy, due to its fast attack, that no moving-coil dynamic has.
This may seem like a silly question....

When you say "Middle", do you mean 400-600 or 700 or so? I'm hearing a lot of what I would call "body". I'm trying not to look at Spectrafoo (lol John Eppstein hates that!), but it sounds like 200-300.

Right now it sounds thick or meaty.

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A cut at 1k, a boost at 5k, whatever the snare needs.

Sometimes it's wooden tips.
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Fear of EQ is pretty common, maybe as common as people who think they have to "do something" when they really don't need to.

Young freelancers in my room often have so much EQ on the drums, the same kit I recorded yesterday and for years that I question them about it (in private). Usually the answer is: "It's a Neve/API, I've never used them and man they sound great."

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Had a bunch of stuff come up and more coming, so running out of time.

Here's the results.

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When you say "Middle", do you mean 400-600 or 700 or so?
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Have you listened to the latest? If so, is the snare too dark? I added a a few db at 3k with a fairly wide Q and quite a bit on a shelf at starting at 5k. Then shelved down a few db at 80 and HP at 30.

Then the drum bus had a boost on the top end.

There's also a bit of clownfuckery with an SPL transient designer snuck in low to add a bit of pop.

This was all done pretty quick as I've had some stuff come in. And next week is filling up with a possible jingle (for which ill get to record...yes! live drums ,lol!) and a huge amount of shows I need to generate M&E files for.

So I didn't reference anything. Just going by ear and taste.

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Improvement!!!!

You might do well to hit the drum buss harder. Or set up multiple parallel compression busses that get more reduction at each stage.

Most of the real issue (now) is that the drummer is playing behind the band. (no pun intended)
The guitars are proud out front, feeling good - and the drummer is hiding in the back, trying to keep everyone from noticing he's a little off beat.

When tracking drummers, ya gotta make sure they play confidently in the song. Or else the energy drops.
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Improvement!!!!

You might do well to hit the drum buss harder. Or set up multiple parallel compression busses that get more reduction at each stage.

Most of the real issue (now) is that the drummer is playing behind the band. (no pun intended)
The guitars are proud out front, feeling good - and the drummer is hiding in the back, trying to keep everyone from noticing he's a little off beat.

When tracking drummers, ya gotta make sure they play confidently in the song. Or else the energy drops.
Hey Nathan,

I think it's me. As I mentioned, I didnt reference and was rushing 'cause I needed to head out early. I spent 80% of the time with the drums waaaay out front, probably overcompensated, lol.

There's a couple places where the little double kick part is a bit rushed, but mainly it's probably the bass making things off. I have "unlimited" use of a Rick I just borrowed and don't play bass, lol. I thought I'd use this song to practice, so things are a little loose down there.

There's some parallel compression on the kick and snare, but not very much. I was trying out The UBK in Glue mode. On the drum bus I was using a 76 emulation, but it was only 1, maybe 2 db.

Anyhoo, thanks for the thoughts!

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