MiX iT! #4d : Discuss It

[tannoy]

Originally Posted by prunelle

Marco,

I've put all the mixes in PT for listening. (wanted to "see" the average RMS level)

My system (very basic),
Well, I've 4 traps (2,30m x 0,60m x 0,20m), 4 traps (1,50m x 0,60m x 0,10 m) (rockwool, density 85 kg/m3 I think).

I've measured the room before/after. It is night and day.


My speakers : a pair of PMC TB2S+ powered by a Nad.
I have a pair of genelecs 1030 (don't use them now, I cannot hear the low mids).


I thought that speakers were a tool of help to the decision-making for the mixing.

I learnt it in this forum. Did I missed something ?


Should I buy a pair of Quested, and a pair of Barefoot to hear your music bro ?

discuss

Errm...I was just kidding, prunelle (that means I was making a joke )...don't buy anything you don't need. As stated, it could be that a bit more volume on that bass track isn't a bad idea.

Originally Posted by prunelle

At 3:11, The sustain of the cymbal is missing.

Ooops. Thx for clarification...yeah, it sounds a bit like that...but I can assure you that I did no harm to the OH-tracks during mixing (at least I think so, got to take a look at the tracks).

Originally Posted by prunelle

Wait a minute. You're talking about the rap-part. In the original files, this rap part was at the end of the song. If I remember the tune.

Well, I don't remember... I didn't use It.

You've moved it at the beginning of your mix.

You decided that there would be a rap-part at the beginning of the song.

Don't you have create your own problem by making it ?

If it was a problem - yes. Since I don't hear it as a problem (remember, to my ears the bass doesn't get muted all of a sudden) - no.

Originally Posted by prunelle

Why did you want this rap-part at the beginning ? Why did you change the song ?

Well, that was a spontaneous dicision..I listened to Mixerman's mix and wanted to do something 'remix-like', heard that rap-part and thought "Maybe this makes sense at the beginning of the tune, combined with different sounds." And so it went....

Originally Posted by prunelle

Please don't hate me Marco.

Too late. (I kid again. Meaning, this is a joke as well ). No worries, all is good.




Cheers,

Marco

[prunelle]

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Originally Posted by Chris Lambrechts

The discussion threadz are NOT just for the mixers. Everyone is very much encouraged to participate. MiX iT! is an educational event for EVERYBODY.

Please visit the Post It thread to listen to the mixes.


...

Thanx!
Charles + Chris

[prunelle]

Originally Posted by AndyGallas

But yeah, we are all different and that's the cool thing about it.



Again, thanks a lot bro!

Andy

That's exactly what I wanted to say in my mix.
Understand the other one to understand itself, or... the opposite, dunno...


Nice shot Andy !


I love this place.

[musicdog]

Finally, some new mixes. Come on Guys. Keep them comming.

MKZ:

Intro was very much the same as mine, so no comments on that part.
After that the drum part was coming in, together with the singing. I think you dubt that part. You did a nice job at that.
Then you went to the yeah-yeah part and I discovered a change in the drum sounds. Later on again a change. That was the only real remark I had on your mix.
To my opinion, not using most off the instruments gave it a restful listening piece, with a rock part in the middle. After that it went down and became restful again.
The ending was very well done.

Immanuel:

Drum brass was very far away from the nice tom sounds. A bit to distant for my taste.
Then the bass, also sounding a bit to thin. With not to much low-end, it didn`t gave me a good vibe.
Then guitar, very close. Full of sound.
A bit of vox and some tom beating.
Then towards the ending, nice drum sounds and good bass mix/ use. Vox could be more upfront, but that`s my taste.
The End.

Surprisingly funny, and overall different. Still liked it.

[AndyGallas]

Great that we have some new mixes. Thanks Immanuel and MKZ. It seems this mix is really a tough one since we have only 10 mixes so far :-)


Immanuel
Well, what can I say. Very freaky, sparse arrangement. I can imagine it works very cool as a movie track but I'm not sure if an ingenuous listerner will bring it together. In general I agree with musicdog comments here.

Surprisingly funny and very different. I still like it

MKZ
The pre rock-part: I like it, I think the overall balance is fine, the only think that bugs me is that constant instrument tone there panned centered. I don't know what it is exactly perhaps the "tanpur"?. The dolcemer at the left is maybe a bit loud.

The rock-part: Balance is really good. I would have used less of the subtle delay stuff as I think it smears the punch and I'd like the snare with more crack and the bassdrum with less click. But that's just my taste, there is nothing wrong here!

The rap part: Simply awesome!! I like that very much, your ideas, what you did with the drums, how everything sits. Very cool

Andy

[MKZ]

I always feel like a fuckin' idiot trying to comment on other peoples' stuff, but I'll try.

Tannoy Polo

I like the totally different approach you brought to this. Especially some of the first minute and a half could be one of those ambient tracks that slowly creep in under a radio persona's voice when a break is coming up. or something.

M Deason

This one's also very diffrent/creative. The BD maybe bugs me a little. It would have especially been awesome in the first 2 minutes (before the rock section) if it would have had more sort of low end boom and maybe even reverb on it. The arrangement could have probably allowed for it, but I don't know, that's just what came to mind first.

Andy Gallas

The intro section sounds a little dry, but that may be because I've learned to hear it a little more wet. The snare sound works great in the rock part.

Baeli

The rock section would have benefited a lot from cranking up the guitars, cymbals, and bass.


I'll listen to the rest a little later and edit this post.

[AndyGallas]

Originally Posted by MKZ

Andy Gallas
The intro section sounds a little dry, but that may be because I've learned to hear it a little more wet. The snare sound works great in the rock part.

Thanks man for checking my mix. Yeah, I can imagine a bit more reverb on the dolcemer in the intro could be even cooler! I admit I was a bit lazy on that. Kinda the oriental vibe is there, cool... move on :-)

Andy

[tannoy]

Thx for reviewing, MKZ! I'm glad you like it. I'm gonna post my thoughts about the new entries at the weekend.

Oh...nearly forgot this:






Cheers,

Marco

[musicdog]

Cheers,

Marco

POLO.
Had to do it!

[musicdog]

Originally Posted by MKZ

I always feel like a fuckin' idiot trying to comment on other peoples' stuff, but I'll try.

No worries mate! We all are feeling that, but it`s for creating a better world. So bring it on!!

[MKZ]

meloco

Nice. The snare could be a little more up front as far as my taste goes.


Mortendk

The first minute and a half: The center is a bit non-existent/invisible but that may be intentional. Again, probably just a taste/opinion thing. As much as we "live" in stereo, I personally like elements to anchor the center.

prunelle

The rock part sounds a little upper mids heavy.

MusicDog

Interesting choices on the EQs on the bass(es). Crank them guitars up a little in the rock section! It sort of feels that it looses momentum a little going into the rock section.

Immanuel

Brave editing/arranging. Not my glass of beer, but everybody likes different things.

[musicdog]

Originally Posted by MKZ

MusicDog

Interesting choices on the EQs on the bass(es). Crank them guitars up a little in the rock section! It sort of feels that it looses momentum a little going into the rock section.

Thnx MKZ. I already have been made aware of the guitar being soft. I`m really glad, that that seems to be the only real issiue in my mix. I wil get a friend of mine and have him calibrate my "studioroom", cause i think i need some damping to get less midhighs of the room interfering with mix/speakersounds.

When i playback on other systems i always think that the guitars are soft in comparence to my studiosound. Maybe that`s why. Someone wanna comment on my thoughts?

Grtz Peter

[MKZ]

CaptainHook

Awesome. I would have personally probably made different choices on the "arranging" side of things (edits, mutes, etc) but I really like the mix!

[CaptainHook]

Thanks, i'm not entirely happy with the edit (or a few things with the mix) but it is what it is.
I was in the studio from 10am-2am yesterday so 3 hours today was enough for me. :P

I need to get to listening to everyone else's now.

[tannoy]

Hi,

been listening to the new submitted mixes...


Immanuel

I like it. I don't know how exactly you did it, but that thing creates a certain kind of atmosphere despite the fact that the arrangement got a bit sparse. Sounds more like a soundtrack or something to me, always got some 'behind the scenes' - cinema in my head during listening (could be due to the abuse of drugs as well...I kid). And I like the sonics. Not everybody's cup of tea, for sure...but for me:


MKZ

I think leveling-wise it is great and I like a lot what you did to the rap-part and the transition into it. Frequency-wise it seems there's something missing (to my ears). I have problems to distinguish between the certain elements, at some points I can kinda feel that things are there but not hear them exactly. Maybe some changes in the upper-mid / treble range ? But it maybe be just me...


Captain Hook

Now, that sounds good to me! Closest to Mixerman's mix for now (and obviously closest to the gear he's prolly used). I'm not exactly sure about the pretty high level of the cymbals during the chorus and the editing decisions near the end, but man...it simply sounds great.



I won't sign this post, sorry....musicdog...hehehe.

[prunelle]

Hey,



Immanuel
Love our mix, it obliges me to turn up the volume



MKZ
Thanks for the review.
Sounds good here.
did you use a spacializer or something ?



Captainhook
Sounds great to me. Brillant.

You made that in 3 hours, waooo. I spent 5 hours a day, and 6 or 7 days to mix my shitty one.
My mix sounds lung compared to yours.

Amazing pieces of gears.

[musicdog]

Originally Posted by tannoy

I won't sign this post, sorry....musicdog...hehehe.

Whahahaa, no worries.....

Marco



Polo.

I just started playing with myself on this occasion. (hmmzz, sounds a bit dirty )

And now for a listen to Captainhook`s mix.

Grtz Peter

[musicdog]

Here`s another revieuw:

Captain Hook:

I like the sounds off the overall mix, nothing pushing stuff away to the background or nothing too much in front.
I read your post on how you did most off it. I just found a way to try my vocals to get more inbedded in the mix, like with your mix. Thnx for that explanation. (i think that`s how i should do it, in my next mix)

My mistake on that is, that i try to use to much room and hall, but it should be with plates. Or am i wrong???

Considering only 3 hours went into yours and more than tenfold into mine you have the best way`s to do it!

Again, Good job.

[AndyGallas]

Captain Hook,

a really sweet overall sound you have, very nice
I find at times there is a bit too much going on. Kind of disturbs the smooth flow of the mix. I think the mix could benefit from a tighter arrangement.

Andy

[meLoCo_go]

I finally listened all the mixes and when I started to write my review my PC crashed, is that a sign?
Well, I'd post my thoughts anyway... take them with a spoonful of salt

AndyGallas
Very upfront powerful sound! Need to check how you treated your guitars
To me bass is a bit annoying in rock'n'roll part and drums (especially snare) are a bit too aggressive for this tune.

Baeli
Like the rap balance, although the rock-part balances are too vocal UP. You could probably reach the same effect by using more bass than gtrs and have more powerfull sound.

CaptainHook
Very nice sonics and overall sound, but synth and I guess OH sound annoys me VERY much in the rock'n'roll part, maybe codec problem?

Mitch Deason
I liked how you treated bass in the intro and toms sounded organic at first but then the overall drum sound was too much compressed/gated! I guess such drum sound could be used in parallel to enhance attack, but on its own it feels too small.

MKZ
I liked how parts flown into each other and you managed to get a great groove in the rap part@ I felt that drumkit was a bit duller than everything else and vocals sounded a bit "detached" in the rock'n'roll part.

MortenDK
Wow, rock part rocked! I liked dynamics change between that part and the rest of the song but there's so much cymbals and hat! On the outro the bass part on the right was interesting.
Overall I felt there's too much mids/top-end boosted in this mix.

Musicdog
I guess there's a codec problem as the top-end sounds very lo-fi, like low bitrate mp3.
I think the vocals is too loud and the balance of the rock part is off. Outro grooved much better, but my advice is you need to work on balances more.

Immanuel
Very refreshing approach
I think such mix would be very useful as a background to narrator's voice if somebody wanted to do a "making of" video.

Prunelle
I like the intro but rock'n'roll part could have a bit more "meat" and could be a bit louder compared to intro. I like background vox you added in outro but I got used to the distorted bass in it too much so it sounded sorta empty.

Tannoy
Great work on arrangement! You really made rap-part work
But as in CaptainHook's mix I hated those synth-pads in rock-part
I think the sound could be more aggressive in rock part (parts, as you doubled it).