Poor Old Autotune!!!!

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by Justin Greed

Autotune is an amazing tool. Most of my non musician friends and family members are savvy enough to a know when its being used.

They won't be able to tell if you use Melodyne!

k

[Chris Lambrechts]

Kenny,


Have you tried melodyne ?

all vocals or parts of it to it at once ... instant check against each other .... correct ... spot back to PT.


I used to hate melodyne for what it did to the sound of the original vocal after processing but they completely sorted that out ...


Chris

[Justin Greed]

Originally Posted by Chris Lambrechts

Kenny,


Have you tried melodyne ?

all vocals or parts of it to it at once ... instant check against each other .... correct ... spot back to PT.


I used to hate melodyne for what it did to the sound of the original vocal after processing but they completely sorted that out ...


Chris

Love Melodyne prefer it to the Antares plug.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by weedywet

n what kind of music is it allegedly "fine" to sing out of tune?

I believe Joan Osborne falls into that category. Van Morrison. Ray LaMontagne. Jack Johnson. Nirvana.

Originally Posted by weedywet

If you have that great emotive vocal, then why not go back and drop in the words that are unacceptably out of tune?

That's a great plan if 5% of the words are out. What if 60% of them are? What if when you're punching a line in, it takes 37 times to get it right? And your singer has lost complete confidence?

Originally Posted by weedywet

Sorry but I don't think the vocals on the records I make sound unemotional. Maybe in part because I don't want anyone to sing the whole song 8 times.

They don't. Mostly because the records you make don't require perfect pitch and partly because you tend to work with great singers.

Enjoy.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by Chris Lambrechts

Kenny,


Have you tried melodyne ?

all vocals or parts of it to it at once ... instant check against each other .... correct ... spot back to PT.


I used to hate melodyne for what it did to the sound of the original vocal after processing but they completely sorted that out ...


Chris

I'm very happy with Autotune. I hear no weirdness as long as it's not set to it's default. Or I use it in Graphic mode.

Melodyne seems like a very powerful tool for me to get deeper into the dirt that surrounds the one tree I've been obsessing over in the forest.

I need to stay focused on the entire forest. I'm not looking for more tools to change that focus. Especially since I'm not having any problems.

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[lebouche]

I like autotune when you can't hear it...

[6x2]

IMHO, Melodyne is horrible. It makes you want to tune everything to the reference pitch, which may be other than the real pitch. It sounds good enough, but makes you do WAY too much unecessary processing.

Autotune in graphic mode is the ONLY way to go for me. It's slow and it's not elegant compared to Melodyne, but that way I only tune the bits I need to and it's a lot better for adjusting the pitch by ear. Not by moving bricks to the right holes.

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by 6x2

IMHO, Melodyne is horrible. It makes you want to tune everything to the reference pitch, which may be other than the real pitch. It sounds good enough, but makes you do WAY too much unecessary processing.

Only if you use it that way. Melodyne doesn't force you to do anything. You don't have to snap the notes to the reference pitch. You don't have to tune the whole vocal.

How does a piece of software "make" you do anything? The user makes the choices.

k

[6x2]

Sure, but it's so absurdly easy to get carried away with that particular piece of software.

That's just how I see it. YMMV.

6x2

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by 6x2

Sure, but it's so absurdly easy to get carried away with that particular piece of software.

But that shouldn't be a knock on a piece of software. They should be applauded for making it so easy and intuitive. Melodyne can be used for a lot of other things as well...so IMHO the software is far superior to Autotune and gets better results without the artifacts. Also, as a creative tool it's fantastic. How the software is implemented is in the hands of the user. As such, good and bad choices will be made.

k

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by kgderrick

But that shouldn't be a knock on a piece of software.

k

But it could. It's all a part of whether people use it or not.

I try not to use tools that are more powerful than the job they need to perform.

[weedywet]

Here's a little experiment for you all:
Duplicate a track of vocal
let's say the lyric is CLICK HERE FOR MY PRO TOOLS VIDEOS

Only the word PRO is to be tuned
now on one case autotune or melodyne only the word.
And on the other track run the whole line through the plug in but only adjust tuning on the one word
now a-b them

if they sound the same I would suggest you're not listening closely!

the plugs change the sound even when they are supposedly not 'doing anything'
one reason I don't like running a whole vocal out to melodyne even if you only fiddle a few words. It ALL sounds different.
Of course you CAN just edit in and crossfade the corrections. But DO you?

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by weedywet

Of course you CAN just edit in and crossfade the corrections. But DO you?

Yes...very quick and easy. That's how I use Melodyne, however, I don't use the plug version. Again, that's why the choices are in the hands of each individual user.

k

[6x2]

Originally Posted by kgderrick

They should be applauded for making it so easy and intuitive.

IMO they should be sued for it.

Melodyne can be used for a lot of other things as well... ... Also, as a creative tool it's fantastic.

I wholeheartedly agree on this. You can do wild things abusing it. That's the good thing about Melodyne.

so IMHO the software is far superior to Autotune and gets better results without the artifacts.

In a way I agree.

How the software is implemented is in the hands of the user. As such, good and bad choices will be made.

See, in a way that's true, but the tools you use affect the decisions you make. If it's dead easy to use it, there's a risk of overprocessing.

Happens a lot with DAW's.

6x2

[Mixerman]

Originally Posted by dikledoux

Hating autotune is like hating pliers 'cuz they round off nuts. Hate the mis-use, hate the lazy and/or talentless. Don't hate the tools.

dik

The difference being, if you fuck up a nut in your house because you used pliers instead of the proper tool, I don't have to live with the consequences. And that's not the only way the analogy is flawed.

Mixerman

[otek]

Originally Posted by kgderrick

How does a piece of software "make" you do anything? The user makes the choices.

By being visually suggestive and sometimes even deceptive. In fact, much more so than Autotune.

This is one of the great struggles in learning to use Melodyne creatively.


otek

[nobby]

Originally Posted by dikledoux

Hating autotune is like hating pliers 'cuz they round off nuts. Hate the mis-use, hate the lazy and/or talentless. Don't hate the tools.

dik

IMHO you shouldn't even be using pliers on your nuts.

[nobby]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

That's a great plan if 5% of the words are out. What if 60% of them are? What if when you're punching a line in, it takes 37 times to get it right? And your singer has lost complete confidence?

Why would the singer have any confidence to begin with?

They don't. Mostly because the records you make don't require perfect pitch and partly because you tend to work with great singers.

Enjoy.

It seems that the advent of oughta tune and beat defective created the requirements for perfect pitch and timing.

I know it's not possible, but I'd love to hear before and after versions of your singers, Kenny. Like is the vocal significantly out 60% of the time or a cent or 2? I read that the average person can't detect less than 2 cents out. Has that changed due to the use of oughta toon?

Or is it more important how the singer looks than how she sings.

"You need to be oughta tooned. And get a boob job. Pride and self esteem are obsolete concepts."

Maybe locate your studio next door to a plastic surgeon for one stop shopping.

"Sorry, Ms. Streisand. You'll never make it as a singer. Not without a nose job."

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by otek

By being visually suggestive and sometimes even deceptive.

Ahh...a new excuse in the making...the DAW made me do it.

k

[kgderrick]

Originally Posted by nobby

IMHO you shouldn't even be using pliers on your nuts.

Unless of course your wife or girlfriend prefers round and smooth nuts over rough and bumpy ones.

k